Mark Foley Scandal

Mark Foley Scandal

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:31 pm

stockingfull wrote:
Richard S. wrote:
stockingfull wrote:It's not about "lying," it's about reckless disregard for the facts.


The fact is we have video that shows a person speaking that shows many of the signs of intoxication. With nothing more than a denial and without an explanation for the behavior the conclusion is easy to draw.

Here's the difference, Richard. We have proof that Mark Foley is a pedophile and a liar. And I take it that it's provable that Foley has it in for Max Baucus for playing a part in running his sorry ass out of town.

However, we don't have any proof that Max Baucus had been drinking in the first vid above. He neither misspoke nor used deficient grammar. Moreover, what he said was 100% accurate in substance.

And, as I pointed out way above, even if he had a drink or two -- or thirty, he still had enough left to make the Senate Republicans look as cynical and venal as they in fact are.

So there's the difference between "proof" and speculation. You can't even get your drivers license taken away for the kind of "proof" you think you have.


Can you cite the relevant case against Mr. Foley? I'd like to read the evidence against him and the jury's verdict.

Because I know you wouldn't argue against someone else OPINION based on YOUR opinion.
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Re: Max Baucus Drunk on Senate floor?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:39 pm

Start a new topic if you want to discuss Foley.
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Re: Max Baucus Drunk on Senate floor?

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:50 pm

Richard S. wrote:Start a new topic if you want to discuss Foley.


I don't.

I'm trying to refute a baseless charge with another baseless charge.
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Re: Max Baucus Drunk on Senate floor?

PostBy: tvb On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:59 pm

jpete wrote:
Richard S. wrote:Start a new topic if you want to discuss Foley.


I don't.

I'm trying to refute a baseless charge with another baseless charge.


Nothing baseless about what Mark Foley admitted to when he resigned: http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1006/p02s01-uspo.html
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Re: Max Baucus Drunk on Senate floor?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:00 pm

Jeff, if you don't remember the sordid events of the fall of 2006, go here for a quick recap:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley_scandal

If it all were just surmise, do you think all those House "boys" (and I hope you'll forgive the pun) wouldn't have "gone down" (ditto) without a fight?
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Re: Max Baucus Drunk on Senate floor?

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:24 pm

tvb wrote:
jpete wrote:
Richard S. wrote:Start a new topic if you want to discuss Foley.


I don't.

I'm trying to refute a baseless charge with another baseless charge.


Nothing baseless about what Mark Foley admitted to when he resigned: http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1006/p02s01-uspo.html


So I'll wait until Baucus admits he was drunk in the video. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it WON'T.
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Re: Max Baucus Drunk on Senate floor?

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:26 pm

stockingfull wrote:Jeff, if you don't remember the sordid events of the fall of 2006, go here for a quick recap:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley_scandal

If it all were just surmise, do you think all those House "boys" (and I hope you'll forgive the pun) wouldn't have "gone down" (ditto) without a fight?


And until Foley is tried and convicted of child rape, I think calling him a "pedophile" is going too far.

Or, alternately, people should be allowed to call Max Baucus a "drunk" based on what they see in a video.

You pick.
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Re: Max Baucus Drunk on Senate floor?

PostBy: tvb On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:31 pm

jpete wrote:
stockingfull wrote:Jeff, if you don't remember the sordid events of the fall of 2006, go here for a quick recap:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley_scandal

If it all were just surmise, do you think all those House "boys" (and I hope you'll forgive the pun) wouldn't have "gone down" (ditto) without a fight?


And until Foley is tried and convicted of child rape, I think calling him a "pedophile" is going too far.

Or, alternately, people should be allowed to call Max Baucus a "drunk" based on what they see in a video.

You pick.


If someone wrote emails with similar content to your under-aged daughter or son, would you refrain from calling him or her a pedophile?
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Re: Mark Foley Scandal

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:11 pm

I might call the police. I might call him a lot of things. I'd also be wrong. Maybe I'd do it after a trial and a conviction but my faith in the "justice" system is so low, I'm hesitant to call anyone anything after a trial.

Just admit that you put your partisan shields up when a member of your team got caught in a bad light. You have no problem harping on the other side but it's hypocritical to avoid it when it happens to your side.

I don't have a side so I laugh at both sides of the aisle. :D
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Re: Mark Foley Scandal

PostBy: spc On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:16 pm

Should the left bring up sex scandals?

Juanita Broaddrick
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Re: Mark Foley Scandal

PostBy: tvb On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:20 pm

spc wrote:Should the left bring up sex scandals?

Juanita Broaddrick


Mark Sanford

John Ensign

And that's only this year. Should I go back a few more years?
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Re: Mark Foley Scandal

PostBy: tvb On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:23 pm

Jeff, you make a good point. I mean, if it's not okay to call Foley a pedophile despite emails from him to underage pages asking them to spend the night with him in exchange for blow jobs, why is it okay to call Baucus a drunk based upon a video without any actual evidence of him being intoxicated?
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Re: Mark Foley Scandal

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:31 pm

tvb wrote:Jeff, you make a good point. I mean, if it's not okay to call Foley a pedophile despite emails from him to underage pages asking them to spend the night with him in exchange for blow jobs, why is it okay to call Baucus a drunk based upon a video without any actual evidence of him being intoxicated?


It's not.

My wife is an EMT. If she walks up to a scene of a rolled over car, empty beer containers all over the place, and the driver reeking of alcohol, she's not allowed to say the driver is drunk.

He COULD BE a diabetic. Apparently, a diabetic with low blood sugar has all the same signs of being drunk right down to the smell of alcohol.

BTW, this is based on a true story. On our second date, we came across a roll over on the highway. :D
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