Pennsylvania Public Utility Commission
- Duengeon master
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I got put into this as a pilot program wen we bought our house in 1996. I thought it was over but I guess I am wrong. At the time I was given a choice of about 20 diffrent suppliers from hydro electric to solar to coal. Money talks and Hillary Clinton walks. I chose coal.
- mozz
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Watch what you read there, some stuff is dated 2002. They can't make it anymore confusing can they? I'm just gonna wait it out till I hear the horror stories of early cancellation fees and whatever kind of "customer service" these companies start using.
- Poconoeagle
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I too am waiting. the whole theory just dosn't make sense to me and reeks of con-job....
candles and sperm-whale oil lamps ...... coal and wood..... water wheels and mules.....
http://www.petroleumhistory.org/OilHistory/pages/ ... whale.html
many stone were carried by hand for many centuries.....
commission rymes with crime
but its the info thats out there for us to review
: What is slamming and how can I prevent being slammed?
A: Slamming is the unauthorized transfer of utility services without the customer's permission. To prevent slamming, and regardless of whether you made an agreement with a supplier on the telephone, or over the Internet, your chosen supplier must send you the agreement in writing in an email, U.S. mail or in-person hand-delivery. You have 3 days to accept or decline the agreement upon its receipt. In addition, when your EDC receives notification of a supplier change, it will send you a confirmation letter. You must respond to the EDC within 10 days if the information is incorrect. During that 10-day period if you notify your EDC you did not want the change of supplier, the supplier change will be cancelled and your account will be restored without penalty.
candles and sperm-whale oil lamps ...... coal and wood..... water wheels and mules.....
http://www.petroleumhistory.org/OilHistory/pages/ ... whale.html
many stone were carried by hand for many centuries.....
commission rymes with crime
but its the info thats out there for us to review
: What is slamming and how can I prevent being slammed?
A: Slamming is the unauthorized transfer of utility services without the customer's permission. To prevent slamming, and regardless of whether you made an agreement with a supplier on the telephone, or over the Internet, your chosen supplier must send you the agreement in writing in an email, U.S. mail or in-person hand-delivery. You have 3 days to accept or decline the agreement upon its receipt. In addition, when your EDC receives notification of a supplier change, it will send you a confirmation letter. You must respond to the EDC within 10 days if the information is incorrect. During that 10-day period if you notify your EDC you did not want the change of supplier, the supplier change will be cancelled and your account will be restored without penalty.
- mozz
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It does reek of a scam. In the local newspaper lately, I have seen some new corporations formed, electricity corporations or LLC's. Seems like they want to be a middle man and rake in some profits for signing you up. The only one I may choose is if one offers a discount for early morning usage, as the wife gets up very early and uses the clothes dryer about 4 am before she goes to work. Otherwise, my meter outside hardly ever turns. Went to Sam's club today and next to the compact florescent lights there is a whole new line of LED lights. Prices were outrageous though, about $20 for 2 bulbs. The ones I have seen and used are very directional and very low output. Good for nightlights, that's about it.
- Poconoeagle
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I am a bulb guy and I just got the red and the green 2 watt 30 degree led flood par 20 bulbs made by sylvania...they are cool in the floor lamps as they added to the season lights. bulb life is 60K hours. also I got the 105 watt spiral compact florecent which equals to 420watt regular. they would be great in high celing workshop or barn. mucho lumens
these new companies have to be a back door/tax scam method for some big players to get around some profit limiting loophole deal. its getting pretty crazy these days regarding the "stuff" Big corps are trying to make us swallow...
maybe the ole clothsline hanging method will become popular again>>??????
these new companies have to be a back door/tax scam method for some big players to get around some profit limiting loophole deal. its getting pretty crazy these days regarding the "stuff" Big corps are trying to make us swallow...
maybe the ole clothsline hanging method will become popular again>>??????
- jeromemsn
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If you think the price of electric is going to go through the roof wait till you see what happens if your in and accident and you hit a pole, or knock down the electric lines. Might as well sign over the house.
They should of never stepped in and froze the rates years ago, they should of let them climb the normal ladder. But nooooo somebody wanted a state office so they said I'll freeze the rate just vote me in, well that sure did work now didn't it.
I remember being at Superior and the lady at the desk saying, out loud now not in a whisper, "Don't know if we will be in business or not if the rates climb the way they are saying".
Politics sucks!
Go ya coming and going and gone!
They should of never stepped in and froze the rates years ago, they should of let them climb the normal ladder. But nooooo somebody wanted a state office so they said I'll freeze the rate just vote me in, well that sure did work now didn't it.
I remember being at Superior and the lady at the desk saying, out loud now not in a whisper, "Don't know if we will be in business or not if the rates climb the way they are saying".
Politics sucks!
Go ya coming and going and gone!
- dtzackus
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PP&L has five separate charges, you can switch two of the charges, but the other three would still be thru PP&L.
The charges are: These 3 that will stay with PP&L:
Distribution – the charge to use the lines to get the electric to your home
Transition – cost of converting the electric to home use
Flat fee – the fee for just having electric service in your home... See More
The 2 you can switch:
Generation – the production cost of making the electric (will go up 33% on PP&L customers)
Transmissions – the cost of transporting the electric to your home
Currently, PP&L charges 10.818 Kilowatt per hour (Kwh)
Companies we can switch to:
1. PP&L Electric Utilities
We currently have, but January 2010, the rate increase of Generation will go up 33%
For example, our September 2009 bill was 163.20 for 1634 Kwh; September 2010 that bill will be 219.21. This was our highest month for 2009 season
2. Direct Energy 1-888-734-0741
Each plans has no enrollment fees and easy billing thru PP&L
Plan 1 – 1st 3 months you would pay 8.99 Kwh
The next 9 months, you would pay 9.49 Kwh
**After the 12 months you can get on another plan or just pay market value, but will always be 10% to 15% cheaper than PP&L
There would be a $100 early termination fee for this program
Plan 2 – Lock into 9.99 Kwh for 3 years There would be a $300 early termination fee for this program
Plan 3 – a Renewable Wind Plan (green plan)
1st 3 months you would pay 10.99 Kwh
The next 9 months, you would pay 11.49 Kwh
3. Dominion Energy Solution 1-888-216-3721
For the entire year of 2010, the will provide electric for 9.495 Kwh or 10% off PP&L
**After the 12 months you can get on another plan, but will always be 10% cheaper than PP&L
No enrollment fees or early termination fees. Billed thru PP&L
4. Community Energy 1-866-WIND-123
They will charge an additional 2.5 Kwh on top of your current electric provider to ease the grid off of fossil fuel made electric to more greener renewable energy sources.
5. PPL Energy Plus
As of right now, do not provide residential customers will power, but charge for greener more renewal electric sources
The charges are: These 3 that will stay with PP&L:
Distribution – the charge to use the lines to get the electric to your home
Transition – cost of converting the electric to home use
Flat fee – the fee for just having electric service in your home... See More
The 2 you can switch:
Generation – the production cost of making the electric (will go up 33% on PP&L customers)
Transmissions – the cost of transporting the electric to your home
Currently, PP&L charges 10.818 Kilowatt per hour (Kwh)
Companies we can switch to:
1. PP&L Electric Utilities
We currently have, but January 2010, the rate increase of Generation will go up 33%
For example, our September 2009 bill was 163.20 for 1634 Kwh; September 2010 that bill will be 219.21. This was our highest month for 2009 season
2. Direct Energy 1-888-734-0741
Each plans has no enrollment fees and easy billing thru PP&L
Plan 1 – 1st 3 months you would pay 8.99 Kwh
The next 9 months, you would pay 9.49 Kwh
**After the 12 months you can get on another plan or just pay market value, but will always be 10% to 15% cheaper than PP&L
There would be a $100 early termination fee for this program
Plan 2 – Lock into 9.99 Kwh for 3 years There would be a $300 early termination fee for this program
Plan 3 – a Renewable Wind Plan (green plan)
1st 3 months you would pay 10.99 Kwh
The next 9 months, you would pay 11.49 Kwh
3. Dominion Energy Solution 1-888-216-3721
For the entire year of 2010, the will provide electric for 9.495 Kwh or 10% off PP&L
**After the 12 months you can get on another plan, but will always be 10% cheaper than PP&L
No enrollment fees or early termination fees. Billed thru PP&L
4. Community Energy 1-866-WIND-123
They will charge an additional 2.5 Kwh on top of your current electric provider to ease the grid off of fossil fuel made electric to more greener renewable energy sources.
5. PPL Energy Plus
As of right now, do not provide residential customers will power, but charge for greener more renewal electric sources
We did it in MA, bottom line, your BILL, however they decide to slice it, will DOUBLE. Then it will just go up every couple
of years. Deregulation and Choice is a scam. There is a reason utilities were regulated in the first place. The only reason to
deregulate is to get you to pay more. Did anybody close down because they could not make money under regulation? NO.
We heard it all. Choice, competition, will drive the price down.....blah blah blah. Break out the check book, because it
is going up! On the plus side, you will conserve. Funky light bulbs, turning stuff off, etc. The days of falling asleep with
the TV on are over. Another added bonus you will find is they will cut personal. So if you have an ice storm, service need,
anything, it will take longer to get power back. Outages will also increase in frequency and duration.
The only plus aside from conservation, is you should buy stock in the biggest player, because in a very short time, they
are going to SCORE. So, you could benefit there. Forget the small ones, they will be gone is 3 years or less.
With the economy, we are not using 30% of our generating capacity, yet prices continue to rise. Why? Because they
CAN! You results could vary, but I doubt it.
of years. Deregulation and Choice is a scam. There is a reason utilities were regulated in the first place. The only reason to
deregulate is to get you to pay more. Did anybody close down because they could not make money under regulation? NO.
We heard it all. Choice, competition, will drive the price down.....blah blah blah. Break out the check book, because it
is going up! On the plus side, you will conserve. Funky light bulbs, turning stuff off, etc. The days of falling asleep with
the TV on are over. Another added bonus you will find is they will cut personal. So if you have an ice storm, service need,
anything, it will take longer to get power back. Outages will also increase in frequency and duration.
The only plus aside from conservation, is you should buy stock in the biggest player, because in a very short time, they
are going to SCORE. So, you could benefit there. Forget the small ones, they will be gone is 3 years or less.
With the economy, we are not using 30% of our generating capacity, yet prices continue to rise. Why? Because they
CAN! You results could vary, but I doubt it.
- mozz
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I might take the chance and lock in on the 3 year contract. I really don't care if there are more outages, I now have the generator and wired up the transfer switch this year, i'm all ready. Going to find the website and try to sign up.
- stovepipemike
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Vietnam coined a word that seems to fit more and more as time goes on these days and it looks as if it may apply here: BOHICA.........translation- bend over here it comes again.
- coal berner
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- Location: Pottsville PA. Schuylkill County PA. The Hart Of Anthracite Coal Country.
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You can always switch to AP& L and give your money to Jack Rich you know he could use it and needs it
http://www.anthracitepower.com/
http://readinganthracite.com/rich-family-companies/
http://www.anthracitepower.com/
http://readinganthracite.com/rich-family-companies/