Ron Paul's figgered it out...

Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:57 am

coalkirk wrote:I have alot of respect for Ron Paul. I supported him. Funny how you and 99.9% of the dems called him a lunatic when you were trying to get the empty suit from Chicago elected. Now that his economic predictions have come true, you've suddenly become a Ron Paul devotee. Is Cheney 100% right all the time? No. But his actions kept us safe like or not. You want him on that wall. You need him on that wall. This administration is a joke. History will eventually prove it. Janet Napolitano should never have been put in that post. She's not qualified. No national security or intel experience. Her ridiculous statement that the "System worked" is proof enough she doesn't have a clue and should go.

Who do you like for DHS, genius?

Bernie Kerik? (BTW, whose choice was that?)

Oh, wait, he's in PRISON. :rofl:
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: Paulie On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:30 am

These points are well known, and the administration at the time ignored them. The best analogy that I have heard refers
to the Bush administration as " Mr. Magoo" in its approach to the war on terror. Hind sight being 20/20, that pretty much
nails it.
I believe Obama is in the fight. Hopefully, and the jury is still waaaaay out, he fights smarter than W did. Ultimately, our
lives depend on it.
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:36 am

Yeah, that almost-blown-up flight the other day proves that one! Great job O-man! :roll:
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:57 am

SMITTY wrote:Yeah, that almost-blown-up flight the other day proves that one! Great job O-man! :roll:

The key word, Smitty, is "almost." 8-)

Look, nobody wishes for another hit -- except maybe Dick Cheney. :roll:
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: Paulie On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:03 pm

SMITTY wrote:Yeah, that almost-blown-up flight the other day proves that one! Great job O-man! :roll:

The best part was the head of Home Land Defense telling us the system works.......except this time :lol: Another interesting point brought up in the post event spin was the passengers. These guys kicked the would be bombers ass. Which
leads to another consideration. Do we need the Gov to hold our hands on EVERYTHING?
Personally, I have not been on an airplane since O1. As a logistics guy I can tell you it will go down sooner or later. Regardless of who is in charge, one look at the logistics of American air travel, and the lowest bidder approach to security,
it is going to happen. Neither W or Obama or the next President can change that. They can make it harder,or at least mandate measures that "should" make it harder. But when that 7.60/hr security wheenie is texting away...or checking out
the T and A on the cachita two booths down.....you get my drift here. It is only a matter of time before one gets through.
They keep sending them, and sonner or later, they will get lucky. And the people on that plane.....unlucky.
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: Stephen in Soky On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:16 pm

Rand Paul, Ron's son lives and practices here in my town. The opposition is casting some pretty big stones at him as though they're scared. Some of their accusations are rather far out, most can be easily disproven with minimal research, but few people will bother researching. I know Rand, not a close frind, but more than a casual acquaintance, and to have any hope of winning he's going to have to develop some politcal savvy and quick or he'll never be elected.
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:21 pm

Paulie wrote:
SMITTY wrote:Yeah, that almost-blown-up flight the other day proves that one! Great job O-man! :roll:

The best part was the head of Home Land Defense telling us the system works.......except this time :lol: Another interesting point brought up in the post event spin was the passengers. These guys kicked the would be bombers ass. Which
leads to another consideration. Do we need the Gov to hold our hands on EVERYTHING?
Personally, I have not been on an airplane since O1. As a logistics guy I can tell you it will go down sooner or later. Regardless of who is in charge, one look at the logistics of American air travel, and the lowest bidder approach to security,
it is going to happen. Neither W or Obama or the next President can change that. They can make it harder,or at least mandate measures that "should" make it harder. But when that 7.60/hr security wheenie is texting away...or checking out
the T and A on the cachita two booths down.....you get my drift here. It is only a matter of time before one gets through.
They keep sending them, and sonner or later, they will get lucky. And the people on that plane.....unlucky.

You're right, Paulie. I heard the question posed, I think by Colbert, thusly: "Do we want to protect our privacy and risk another plane attack, or do we want to sacrifice our privacy ...

... and risk another plane attack?"

:roll:

Put another way, the brutal reality is that no conceivable system can adequately protect us even from known methods, to say nothing of those we don't yet know about. So the questions then become: how much more liberty do we sacrifice, and how much more disruption do we tolerate, when there still are no guarantees, that is, for another increment, however small or large we cannot know, of "safety?"
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: coalkirk On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:26 pm

stockingfull wrote:
SMITTY wrote:Yeah, that almost-blown-up flight the other day proves that one! Great job O-man! :roll:

The key word, Smitty, is "almost." 8-)

Look, nobody wishes for another hit -- except maybe Dick Cheney. :roll:

What an idiotic statement! ALMOST? The only reason that plane didn't blow was a bomb malfunction and the quick actions of a passenger. To claim anything else is ludicrous! :lol: Even Obama had to bitch slap Napolitano yesterday and say the exact opposite she did. "The system did not work. We screwed up." You are the poster boy for "kool-aid drinker." At least Obama had the stones to admit they screwed up. You can't admit it even in the face of a mountain of evidence. No wonder you like big sis. Your "almost is the key word" dovetails nicely with the "system worked." Unbelieveable!
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:37 pm

coalkirk wrote:
stockingfull wrote:
SMITTY wrote:Yeah, that almost-blown-up flight the other day proves that one! Great job O-man! :roll:

The key word, Smitty, is "almost." 8-)

Look, nobody wishes for another hit -- except maybe Dick Cheney. :roll:

What an idiotic statement! ALMOST? The only reason that plane didn't blow was a bomb malfunction and the quick actions of a passenger. To claim anything else is ludicrous! :lol: Even Obama had to bitch slap Napolitano yesterday and say the exact opposite she did. "The system did not work. We screwed up." You are the poster boy for "kool-aid drinker." At least Obama had the stones to admit they screwed up. You can't admit it even in the face of a mountain of evidence. No wonder you like big sis. Your "almost is the key word" dovetails nicely with the "system worked." Unbelieveable!

Wrong again, Terry. I never said the system worked.

I said "almost." That the "almost" was a stroke of luck rather than a system functioning yields the same result, just as it did when Richard Reid tried it 3 months after 9/11. You think people weren't being careful then, Terry? :roll:

The point (which you missed) is that "almost" is a reprieve. It provides an opportunity to reassess what we're doing and what we can do.

But Paulie's point, and Colbert's, is still the bottom line. There is no process which can prevent another attack with certainty. We must constantly balance the expense, disruption and invasion of our individual rights against the increment of protection which can be gained.

And what we tend to forget in these troubled times is that the Founding Fathers were wrestling with exactly the same issue when they drafted the Bill of Rights to our Constitution. So, if the constitutional balances between private rights and public needs now need updating to address the threats of the modern age, how is it that they're so inviolate in other contexts where society has so markedly changed? This dilemma calls into dramatic question the whole constitutional debate between the "textualists" and those who believe it must be considered a "living document." Gun control and abortion are just two of the arenas where that debate will also play out and be compared with the debate over security. So beware what you wish for.
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:19 pm

Stephen in Soky wrote:Rand Paul, Ron's son lives and practices here in my town. The opposition is casting some pretty big stones at him as though they're scared. Some of their accusations are rather far out, most can be easily disproven with minimal research, but few people will bother researching. I know Rand, not a close frind, but more than a casual acquaintance, and to have any hope of winning he's going to have to develop some politcal savvy and quick or he'll never be elected.


It looks like Rand Paul is going to get some live action learing time in that arena. He's entered the KY GOP Senate race on 1/5/10 for Bunning's seat. Does he have the moxie to get up on that political learning curve? A good mentor is in the family. 8-)

... Hmm, another first term Senator running in 2012?
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:09 pm

VigIIPeaBurner wrote:... Hmm, another first term Senator running in 2012?

Haven't we learned the dangers of rushing political sons into WH runs? :roll:

For those whose fathers were adroit politicos, like Bush 41, the sons need time to get the "seasoning" they'll need. And, for those whose fathers are known for idealogy, like Ron Paul is, sometimes the son isn't what the father's supporters dreamed of.

In either case, it can be a crap shoot if it happens too soon.
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:22 pm

stockingfull wrote:
VigIIPeaBurner wrote:... Hmm, another first term Senator running in 2012?

Haven't we learned the dangers of rushing political sons into WH runs? :roll:

For those whose fathers were adroit politicos, like Bush 41, the sons need time to get the "seasoning" they'll need. And, for those whose fathers are known for idealogy, like Ron Paul is, sometimes the son isn't what the father's supporters dreamed of.

In either case, it can be a crap shoot if it happens too soon.


Thus the "...Hmmm"

  • Could truth be found in the old adage "Third time's a Charm"?

stockingfull wrote:... crap shoot ....
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:24 pm

"Third time's a charm?" :roll:

How often does that work out well in craps? 8-)
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:57 pm

stockingfull wrote:
SMITTY wrote:Yeah, that almost-blown-up flight the other day proves that one! Great job O-man! :roll:

The key word, Smitty, is "almost." 8-)

Look, nobody wishes for another hit -- except maybe Dick Cheney. :roll:



You are arguing that an "almost" disaster is a victory over terrorism? :shock:

So we are placing our national security in the hands of the average visiting Dutchman? (No offense to Dutchmen intended)
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:01 pm

What Ron Paul has figured out is that we don't have much real representation anymore, we don't have a stable currency or balance sheet anymore, and we have a far too large and entrenched bureaucracy that is only going to get larger with obamacare.

If otherwise, we would have a better, freer and safer nation.
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