Ron Paul's figgered it out...

Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:02 pm

I've answered this above, Mike, in response to Terry's misinterpretation of my comment.
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: Stephen in Soky On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:08 pm

Actually, Rand announced his candidacy several months ago. He already has around 2 million in his campaign fund. It's little things like his announcement that he's so very naive about. Rather than picking a spot in KY to announce, he did so in NYC, immediately pissing off a lot of the people whose votes he'll need to be elected. He's having campaign staff issues of monumental proportions already. In short, he's shooting himself in the foot by not showing ANY political savvy whatsoever. I like what Ron Paul says, but he certainly has no political intuition to pass along to Rand, consequently Rand is blowing his campaign in a big way. I'm not saying he won't win, but if he doesn't wise up and fast he has no chance.
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:43 pm

Stephen in Soky wrote:Actually, Rand announced his candidacy several months ago. He already has around 2 million in his campaign fund. It's little things like his announcement that he's so very naive about. Rather than picking a spot in KY to announce, he did so in NYC, immediately pissing off a lot of the people whose votes he'll need to be elected. He's having campaign staff issues of monumental proportions already. In short, he's shooting himself in the foot by not showing ANY political savvy whatsoever. I like what Ron Paul says, but he certainly has no political intuition to pass along to Rand, consequently Rand is blowing his campaign in a big way. I'm not saying he won't win, but if he doesn't wise up and fast he has no chance.


So do you want a guy that is a "good politician" or do you want a "good man"?

I pick the latter.

The last thing we need is another slick talking, two faced career politician. People need to reassess what they're looking for, not waiting for a man like Rand Paul to start talking like an "acceptable" politician.
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: Stephen in Soky On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:17 pm

Being a "Good man" and being a "Smart man" aren't mutually exclusive. Although I'm still researching the candidates, were I required to vote tonight I'd vote for Rand without hesitation. That's coming from someone who actually knows him. What I am saying is that Rand has to wise up if he wants to be elected. A person can make smart decisions without compromising their ideals. This isn't some little district in Texas, it's a statewide election where he's up against some very intelligent opponents. Opponents who aren't making the gaffs that Rand is.

As I stated earlier I agree with most of the things Ron Paul says. But, the man is poliically daft. Have you seen him in "Bruno"? I felt sorry for him watching it until I realized he's a well educated, well travelled career politician. If he has no more itelligence than to walk into something like that, do we really want him to rise above Congressman?

I think Rand would make a fine Senator, but he'll never achieve that unless he starts making better decisions than his Dad.
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:54 pm

Stephen in Soky wrote: I think Rand would make a fine Senator, but he'll never achieve that unless he starts making better decisions than his Dad.


And what piece of political wisdom would you like to impart on the Paul family?

To me, a "politician" will say whatever he thinks the audience wants to hear in order to get elected and then do what ever they feel like once they do get elected.

I'd rather lose on my principles than win on a pack of lies.
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: Stephen in Soky On: Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:31 am

Geez Jeff, Why are you taking such offense with someone who has stated they'd vote for the younger Paul? I'd like to see him win, I've said that before in this thread. If I wanted him to lose, I'd be here singing praises of what a wonderful job he's doing running his campaign. He needs to realize his every move is now under a microscope. He needs to be smart. He needs to be cool and even headed. He dosen't need to have staff quitting because he forbid them from criticizing the RNC. He needs to focus his campaigning on KENTUCKY. He's not running for national office. I don't know what state you reside in, but if it isn't Kentucky, you can't vote for him. He doesn't need to win your vote. He needs to win mine and a whole lot more in KENTUCKY.

You seem to think I'm pro "Slick Politician" when in fact I'm not. I'm pro "Smart candidate with ideals". So far, Rand only has the ideals, the smart part is yet to be seen. All the ideals in the world won't do Rand or the USA any good if he doesn't get elected.
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:15 am

S in S, I hear what you're saying. It's analogous to a formula car on an Indy track vs. a midget on a dirt track. Don't take the midget to Indy or vis-a-versa. Finesse and stagemanship lead to the road to statesmanship. There are certain realities to navagating this road.

The fact that he did what annoys you and other Kentuckians by announcing in NYC reinforces my thoughts about future intentions. He's looking for/at a larger stage. You just don't want to see the cart before the horse.

.... Hmmm
;)
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:35 am

I wonder if Ron would have given the brits back thier gift???

funny how barry thinks a pen holder from a drunk imoral womanizer is more fitting than one from a man who actually was a somebody...


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"Something else Obama may be doing? Offering an apology with his penholder -- a gift from Prime Minister Gordon Brown. Many Britons took offense when Winston Churchill's bust was returned to the British and replaced with one of Martin Luther King Jr. The penholder, given to Obama during Brown's March visit, is crafted from wood taken from the HMS Gannet, the sister ship to the Resolute, a British naval vessel from which the presidential desk was crafted."
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:54 pm

Stephen in Soky wrote:Geez Jeff, Why are you taking such offense with someone who has stated they'd vote for the younger Paul? I'd like to see him win, I've said that before in this thread. If I wanted him to lose, I'd be here singing praises of what a wonderful job he's doing running his campaign. He needs to realize his every move is now under a microscope. He needs to be smart. He needs to be cool and even headed. He dosen't need to have staff quitting because he forbid them from criticizing the RNC. He needs to focus his campaigning on KENTUCKY. He's not running for national office. I don't know what state you reside in, but if it isn't Kentucky, you can't vote for him. He doesn't need to win your vote. He needs to win mine and a whole lot more in KENTUCKY.

You seem to think I'm pro "Slick Politician" when in fact I'm not. I'm pro "Smart candidate with ideals". So far, Rand only has the ideals, the smart part is yet to be seen. All the ideals in the world won't do Rand or the USA any good if he doesn't get elected.


Well, I'm asking you what he's doing or what you think he should do differently.

My in laws live in Louisville and I'm trying to convince them to vote for Rand so I'd like to know from a first hand observer.

So staff is quitting because he won't allow them to take pot shots at the R's. And???

Would it make sense to sling mud at the party you are running under?

And you WANT a guy slinging mud like a typical politician or would you want him to stay above the fray and talk about issues?

He may not NEED my vote, but he's pretty interested in my wallet. And I'm pretty interested in giving it to him so if he's doing something I should know about, then I'd like to hear it.
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Re: Ron Paul's figgered it out...

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:27 pm

Rand can't be doing too bad...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... cky_senate

Kentucky Secretary of State Trey Grayson and Rand Paul, an opthamologist and the son of Congressman Ron Paul, remain ahead of Lieutenant Governor Daniel Mongiardo. Now, however, the GOP hopefuls also are beating state Attorney General Jack Conway.
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