Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

Re: Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:53 pm

Terry, you're just making a fool of yourself trying to defend your personal attack with another diatribe which has not a single word on the substance of the thread. Perhaps you just don't understand the difference between the two and we should feel sorry for you. But attacking me does nothing to advance your side of the argument. I make no bones about my support for Obama, both as a candidate and as President. So what? I'm showing that the accusation that he "broke" a campaign promise can't be viewed in a vacuum. The promise was made in the context of the larger promise to reform healthcare. Only a fool would allow the ship to sink because he wanted to prove that it was stronger than the iceberg. (In that context, you Ron Paul supporters ought to be able to sympathize: if he'd been elected, do you think he would have been able to disband the Fed on Day One? Or just yank everybody out of Iraq and Afghanistan immediately? Talk about fantasies....)

Back to the substance, I actually like these Senate retirements. Dodd's not only frees him to back strong banking and insurance reforms this year, but makes it a virtual certainty that Dems can hold the seat with Blumenthal (who, like Ron Reagan, is another GOP son who's seen the light :P ). Plus, the "smack-down" with this rich WWE McMahon lady will be good theater. 8-)

Dorgan, likewise, is free to kick some a$$ this year w/o worrying about the next race. OK, his seat is a possible gain for the GOP, but w/o Dodd's retirement, it would be two, so it just cancels out reversing Dodd's likely loss in CT.

Besides, if it has to come to that, some changes are worth losing for. I think Obama believes that. Frankly, I'd be happy to see some more Senators acting on the same principle.

And, in the end, it may be that fewer than 60 in the Senate will prove to be better than 60, because I'd rather be able to blame the GOP for paralysis than have to deal with the likes of Joe Lieberman in order to "govern with a filibuster-proof majority."

Lieberman won't run again. Mark it down.
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Re: Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

PostBy: tvb On: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:04 pm

I'm not sure what planet the OP is on, but the C-Span on my cable system carried the House and Senate negotiations on health care from opening gavel to final vote. In fact, every day Congress is in session, I can turn on C-Span and see the proceedings live as they happen no matter the time of day.

You may want to check back in with reality before posting more delusions.
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Re: Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:08 pm

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Re: Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

PostBy: tvb On: Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:30 pm

I wasn't aware that there were further developments so for that, I apologize. However, C-Span did carry all the house and senate negotiations leading up to votes in both houses prior to the holidays.
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Re: Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:39 pm

Those who have viewpoints different then mine can talk to me until they are blue in the face but that will not change the fact that Obama Lied.
He is a Socialist hell bent on turning the United States into a Socialist country that is dependent on the "central government" for everything. He doesn't give a rat's ass about terrorism, his actions since the Fruit Of The Boom attack (or attempted attack) prove that. These trivial little incidents, some "suspect" acting "alone" wearing exploding BVD's, just an annoyance to Dear Leader, it was obvious in his tone when he addressed the nation. If only these little annoyances would go away so he can concentrate on shoving govenment-run programs down our waiting gullets, well then he would be a hero! Get it right, you all are among the "unwashed masses", what the hell do you know about how to run a big country? Why should anyone listen to what you have to say? Obama and his cronies are highly educated and important, they know what's best for you, step aside peon, and let the ruling class run things.
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Re: Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:53 pm

lawyers lie

period

sometimes they get paid to lie

but they lie period... ;)
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Re: Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:37 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:lawyers lie

period

sometimes they get paid to lie

but they lie period... ;)

That statement demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the profession. There's a giant difference between advocacy, which means portraying your client's position in the best possible legal light -- which is the duty of counsel -- and lying, which is illegal.

Sometimes the line between the two can be as narrow as the yellow stripe separating us from oncoming traffic. But it's every bit as significant.

Ask those here who have needed legal advice, some of them recently. Ask if lying was any part of it, whether on their part or that of their counsel.
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Re: Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:54 pm

I have had enough legal procedings in my own life to be able to tell

my attorney is tops. they as as far and few between as a dr or mechanic

thier reputation procedes them and most top shelf people deal with top shelf dr's mechanics and attorneys.....

again tho, lawyers lie for the most part like politicians lie most always....

This topic is about Obama....the liar plain simple bs artist liar lawyer ;)
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Re: Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:57 pm

Glad you're not saying that about yours.

It's always the other guy's lawyer who does the lying, right? :roll:
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Re: Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:11 pm

My dad told me, in dealing with the legal system, "Don't lie, but don't tell the truth." :D
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Re: Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:25 pm

stockingfull wrote:Glad you're not saying that about yours.

It's always the other guy's lawyer who does the lying, right? :roll:


from day one my attorney said absolutly no lying. I wasn't retaing
him other than to represent the truth. The honest facts. I believe
dishonest people lie and thus dishonest lawyers lie. Kinda like birds
of a feather..... Obama is a dough dough bird...... And a lying one
to boot.... He kneads the boot
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Re: Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

PostBy: tvb On: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:16 pm

stockingfull wrote:Glad you're not saying that about yours.

It's always the other guy's lawyer who does the lying, right? :roll:


It's the same way with judges. If they rule in a way you like, they are doing their job; if they rule in a way you disagree with, they are activist judges. Go figure that one out.
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Re: Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:21 am

I`m sorry but to the best of my recall I can never remember there ever being a politician at any level that has not been totally truthful. If campain promises were all kept the political system could never possibly work because there could not be any compromise from either side nor the best interest of the country ever attained.
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Re: Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:45 am

Clue : the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

Answer : _ r _ _ s _ _
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Re: Obama promising to televise health care on C-span

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:45 am

I believe your correct Samhill, its no coincidence tho that a vast majority of politicians started out as barristers tho...... kinda like priming the pump or better yet prune juice.... ;)



prevarication
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