Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:56 am

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Re: Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:01 pm

LIF

lying is fundamental......

remember RIFF... Ebonics....
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Re: Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:10 pm

On "lying" (repost from the C-Span thread):

If your kids are in a fight, it's one thing to say to them, "now, tell the truth." But our legal system has always been, our political system has become, and our debates here surely are "advocacy," at least in the sense that they pursue the truth by presenting the facts on both (or all) sides of the debate. If people with opposing biases present the facts as they see them, a neutral [judge/voter] is in the best position to come to an accurate conclusion.

But the only way it works is if it's all actually factual.

Case in point: Rudy Giuliani and the news he's generated in the last couple days with the Stephanopoulos interview. Apparently, Mary Matalin started some viral GOP talking point on the Fruit-of-the-Boom bomber that we've had an attack under Obama but not under Bush. :wtf: And now it's turned into "The Big Lie."

Apart from the sheer outrageousness of the statement (particularly coming from "Americas [9/11] Mayor"), is it "news" if Mary Matalin, or Rudy, or Sarah even says it? How do you report that "truthfully?"

But then again, Rudy's a lawyer.... :rimshot:
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Re: Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:28 pm

He obviously meant since 9/11 genius. Rudy is fully aware of the 9/11 attacks and who was president. Please!
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Re: Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:36 pm

Really? Then why didn't he say that? :roll:

Hell, Obama "obviously" meant that he'd televise the healthcare negotiations on C-Span if he didn't need to kill the bill to do so, right?
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Re: Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:52 pm

If televising the bill would kill it, then it sure sounds like they fully know that nearly 70% of Americans polled don't want that bill. It's the economy stupid.
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Re: Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:59 pm

Wrong thread, sparky.

This one's about Rudy's Big Lie. I only cited the other one for the sake of contrast.
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Re: Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:32 pm

Yea I know Jon but I couldn't let you get away with a BS contrast.
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Re: Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

PostBy: tvb On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:01 pm

Dana Perino was the first, I believe, to try and pull the "no terrorism under Bush" scam back in November:


Of course, it's hard to expect much more from a woman who didn't know what the Cuban Missile Crisis was all about.
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Re: Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:16 pm

bop2 Again, she is a very smart woman who knows full well about 9/11 and who was president at the time. The reference is to not having any attacks subsequently here during the rest of his presidency.

Another thing I'd like to clear up is the comparison to Obama prosecuting the Fruit of Kaboom bomber as a criminal matter and comparing that to the fact that Bush did the same thing with the shoe bomber. That was right after 9/11. We didn't have the military tribunals established yet. :mad:
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Re: Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

PostBy: Cap On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:26 pm

Does anyone here really belive the terrorist plot to strike the WTC was 100 % planned AFTER Bush was sworn in? Or maybe it was in the works under Clinton? Why does the date of this attack have to be a political issue? We are at war with these animals and thats a fact.
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Re: Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:36 pm

Cappy, they've been at war with us since the First Gulf War, when we staged our troops for the Kuwait invasion on the "holy ground" of Saudi Arabia.

Yet, for purely political purposes, the GOP chose to excoriate Clinton over such things as the Cole bombing and the first WTC attack in 1993. But then they inexplicably went to sleep in the face of the most overt attack threats in August 2001. Result? 9/11.

Now they want to portray President Obama as somehow soft on "terror" when he's clearly not. It's so bad that Matalin and Rudy are now drinking "Goebbel-aid" in suggesting that there were no attacks here during Bush's time.

And an attractive lie it is. After all, how could Rudy possibly remember 9/11?
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Re: Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:43 pm

Sure it was probably planned under Clinton & Bush was given warning that there was some sort of an attack coming, why is the so called fruit of the kaboom bomber the same type of attack as the shoe bomber (foiled) just as some others were that were foiled in the planning stage. Sounds like some people believe that there is a different set of definitions for different presidents.
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Re: Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

PostBy: tvb On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:00 pm

coalkirk wrote:bop2 Again, she is a very smart woman who knows full well about 9/11 and who was president at the time. The reference is to not having any attacks subsequently here during the rest of his presidency.

Another thing I'd like to clear up is the comparison to Obama prosecuting the Fruit of Kaboom bomber as a criminal matter and comparing that to the fact that Bush did the same thing with the shoe bomber. That was right after 9/11. We didn't have the military tribunals established yet. :mad:


But that's not what she said.

On the second part of your response, Bush created the military tribunals by executive order on November 13, 2001. Richard Reid attempted to be all he could be with his shoes on Decmber 22, 2001.
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Re: Watch Rudy Ending His Political Career

PostBy: tvb On: Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:32 pm

The lies of Giuliani:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j-7D3Y_WVI

Among the terror incidents that occurred under Bush and cited in this video:

The anthrax mailings which killed five people and continues to this day to cause disruption when some jerk decides to mail white powder.

A guy who claims to hate liberals so much he was inspired by Hannity and O'Lielly to kill a couple of people as they attended religious services in what he perceived to be a "liberal church"

A Muslim US soldier who killed two Americans and wounded fourteen others on a base in Kuwait two days before we invaded Iraq. Prior to the attack, he had indicated a willingness to kill fellow Americans rather than Iraqis.

A Muslim Mohammad Atta fan who ran down several people at UNC - Chapel HIll with his SUV to avenge Muslim deaths at the hands of the US.

Another Muslim who called himself a terrorist and ran down several people in San Francisco killing one and injuring 19 others.

A Muslim shooter in Seattle who killed one and wounded five others because he hated Israel.

The attack on the El Al counter at LAX by a Muslim that killed three and wounded several others.

The adult DC sniper convicted of terrorism and later executed.

A suicide bomb attack on our embassy in Yemen that killed a young American woman. An embassy is technically our soil.

ALL of these attacks which took place while Bushco was running the show.
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