Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

Re: Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

PostBy: cabinover On: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:33 pm

mikeandgerry wrote: Let's just call citizens "Americans".


Amen to that. No one here is an African American, Italian American, Polish American, or any other damned nationality but American. If you move to Africa you can rest assured that you will not be an American African. Same with France, Germany, or any other country in the world I'd hazard to say.

I'm so tired of hearing the BS of "I'm (insert your favorite color here) and proud, but don't you dare say that I am or you're a racist."

Here's a novel thought, how about everybody quits trying to "stand out from the crowd" because they're different and just be Americans?
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Re: Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:38 pm

I have a black friend that I used to work & he & his wife went to Africa on vacation one year, he told me his wife & him were treated like crap because of their American heritage. According to them it was the worse vacation they ever had.
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Re: Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

PostBy: coalkirk On: Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:56 pm

[quote="samhill"]The clean remark could have been refering to his not having too bad of a past instead of being filthy.[quote]

Could have been been wasn't. Here's the full quote.

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy."
He meant he was clean in the classic sense.
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Re: Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:02 pm

cabinover wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote: Let's just call citizens "Americans".


Amen to that. No one here is an African American, Italian American, Polish American, or any other damned nationality but American. If you move to Africa you can rest assured that you will not be an American African. Same with France, Germany, or any other country in the world I'd hazard to say.

I'm so tired of hearing the BS of "I'm (insert your favorite color here) and proud, but don't you dare say that I am or you're a racist."

Here's a novel thought, how about everybody quits trying to "stand out from the crowd" because they're different and just be Americans?


If Dave Matthews takes the "Oath of Citizenship", will he be "African-American"? ;)
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Re: Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:04 pm

Well coalkirk you should know exactly what he meant, doesn`t surprise me at all.
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Re: Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

PostBy: coalkirk On: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:14 pm

samhill wrote:Well coalkirk you should know exactly what he meant, doesn`t surprise me at all.


What in the samhill do you mean by that? :lol:
Why don't you listen to Joe himself and then you decide what he meant. Keep in mind at the time he said this, they were both competing for the dem nomination for president.
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Re: Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:37 pm

Watched it again but not all of it, when it was first on I saw it & didn`t think that much of it. If you look at some of the other past black candidates they don`t come across as well mannered, well spoken, no facial hair or many other things I wouldn`t have called them dirty but would that be in the sense of filthy but they might just have a bit of a tarnished past, might not. They came across to me as men that were just out for fame & fortune & most of all to hear themselves talk. When ever I watch something I choose my own opinion & don`t really need someone to tell me what was REALLY said. Its just me I`ve always kind of found it easier to not try & analize what someone elses true meanings are. Just my opinion now you can write what I really said.
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Re: Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

PostBy: coalkirk On: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:46 pm

Sam, that's cool. I'm not going to tell you what to think or who to believe. I've got all I can handle just trying to keep stockingfull halfway honest. I don't want a beef with you. If you listen to Joe's remarks and think that's what he meant, that's good enough for me.
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Re: Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:52 pm

I`m just saying that theres always more than one way to look at things no more no less.
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Re: Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

PostBy: coalkirk On: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:59 pm

Sam I agree. The one prefer is reality. The difference is that your reality and mine are 180* apart. There's nothing wrong with that. We cool.
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Re: Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:34 am

stockingfull wrote: The notable differences in the reactions are because of the vast disparities in the intent of the speakers and their public records.

On both counts, these two deserved to get different treatment than those whose speech is hostile (like Lott's) or whose records as public servants shows reluctance to accord civil rights to minorities.

So, if all you boys on your high horses think there's a double standard, point to examples of Republicans who made positive remarks and/or had pro-active records on race and still have been skewered over such racial references, and we can revisit all this.

Until then, you fail, as usual.


I don't know about any examples that fit your convoluted parameters but....

Martin Luther King, a Republican, was skewered by LBJ, JFK and RFK, all Democrats.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500

Democrats aren't so "clean" on race relations and civil rights. In fact, Republicans have a far cleaner history starting with the tall guy, his name was Abe ...something. 8-)
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Re: Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

PostBy: stockingfull On: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:56 am

Oh, Mike, the way you lead with your chin is so ... typical. :P

Ever heard of Dixiecrats? Know how they earned their own special place in political hell?

Because, for nearly a century after Reconstruction, the Republican brand was so toxic in the segregated, racist South that every politician had to be a Democrat, even when they really had virtually nothing in common with Democrats. And why? Because of Honest Abe, of course. You think Obama's bringing "change?" :verycool: Abe Lincoln brought CHANGE.

Nonetheless, it might have worked out if the GOP had been true to Lincoln's legacy of liberation, but of course it wasn't. So, after big business kidnapped the GOP and Democrats became the party of personal rights and the working man, more and more tension arose between mainstream Democrats and their "solid South" segregationist colleagues, particularly in Washington where they came into constant contact. The result was the real germination of the modern "states' rights" movement, which really was little more than packaging for the legislative bloc which stood together to protect the Jim Crow laws of the segregated South. Finally, the 1948 election came along and we formally got "Dixiecrat" openly segregationist candidate Strom Thurmond (originally a Democrat). (Other notable Dixiecrats? Are you old enough to remember Harry Byrd of VA, Orval Faubus, George Wallace, Lester Maddox? Great names in the politics of hate.)

Ultimately, it took a man from the South -- and a big Democratic majority -- to confront and break the Dixiecrat bloc. Although recognizing that "the South will be lost for a generation," LBJ made desegregation official when he signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. LBJ was no fool, nor was his prediction of Einsteinian insight or elegance. We've seen it all come true.

So where did the racists go? To the GOP, of course. And that's why Trent Lott got -- and deserved to get -- far rougher treatment for his "complimentary" remarks about segregationist Dixiecrat Strom Thurmond than Reid or Biden have gotten about their clumsy observations about Obama. Because Biden and Reid were complimenting Obama's post-racial skills, while Lott was waxing nostalgic about nothing less than segregation.

It's too bad, really. Because it's been too easy, and therefore too tempting, to pick up a whole lot of support in the South by being tolerant of the racist code-speak of segregation. And that's just one of the many reasons why the GOP is now paying the price. Not only have you got the southern racists (and all the other racists and anti-immigrant xenophobes in the country) in the GOP, but you've got the libertarian, near-anarchist tea-baggers, the pro-life bible-thumpers and the modern Wall St robber barons of banking and insurance, all calling themselves "Republicans." Yet none of them really have the same interests so, when it comes to matters of policy and platform, about the only thing they'll be able to agree on is their disdain for Obama and the amorphous "left." We've already seen it: look at NY-23.

So stay tuned. If you think Democrats are divided, just wait until the GOP starts trying to put together campaigns. Think it'll be easy? Look at the current mess in Florida.
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Re: Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:52 pm

So where did the racists go? To the GOP, of course.


Jon, Jon, Jon, at best your ignorance is appalling; at worst, your views are perpetuating slavery. Dixiecrats were Democrat party racists and segregationists. Racists didn't leave the Democrat party. They stayed....and became cautious about their remarks. Robert Byrd is STILL in the Senate. Not much party switching that I can see. They played the race-baiting card to the max. Occasionally, the racism slipped out as it did with LBJ and Harry Reid.

Dixiecrat notables from wikipedia-

* Harry F. Byrd (D-VA), 1933–1965
* A. Willis Robertson (D-VA), 1946–1966
* John C. Stennis (D-MS), 1947–1989
* James O. Eastland (D-MS), 1941–1941, 1943–1978
* Allen J. Ellender (D-LA), 1937–1972
* Russell B. Long (D-LA), 1948–1987
* Thomas Pryor Gore (D-OK), 1906–1921, 1931–1937
* J. Lister Hill (D-AL), 1938–1969
* John J. Sparkman (D-AL), 1946–1979
* Spessard Holland (D-FL), 1946–1971
* George Smathers (D-FL), 1951–1969
* Olin D. Johnston (D-SC), 1945–1965
* Strom Thurmond (D,R-SC), 1954–1956, 1956–2003
* John McClellan (D-AR), 1943–1977
* Richard B. Russell, Jr. (D-GA), 1933–1971
* Herman E. Talmadge (D-GA), 1957–1981
* Herbert S. Walters (D-TN), 1963–1964


When you say the Democrats took over the politics of civil rights you mean they were opportunists who shifted the meaning of the constitution from guaranteeing equal opportunity to guaranteeing personal outcomes by race, status, etc.? That would be the politics of division. It is reprehensible and that is why Martin Luther King was a Republican.

You should try reading the article I linked above. You might learn something from the author

Democrats have been running our inner-cities for the past 30 to 40 years, and blacks are still complaining about the same problems. More than $7 trillion dollars have been spent on poverty programs since Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty with little, if any, impact on poverty. Diabolically, every election cycle, Democrats blame Republicans for the deplorable conditions in the inner-cities, then incite blacks to cast a protest vote against Republicans.

In order to break the Democrats' stranglehold on the black vote and free black Americans from the Democrat Party's economic plantation, we must shed the light of truth on the Democrats. We must demonstrate that the Democrat Party policies of socialism and dependency on government handouts offer the pathway to poverty, while Republican Party principles of hard work, personal responsibility, getting a good education and ownership of homes and small businesses offer the pathway to prosperity.

Frances Rice
Ms. Rice is chairman of the National Black Republican Association (NBRA) and may be contacted at http://www.NBRA.info.
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Re: Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:01 pm

Nice Mike. No further comments.

Kevin
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Re: Didn't figure this Reid story would have legs

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:29 am

Mike, your list of Dixiecrats only proves my segregationist point. The old Dixiecrats pretty much vanish by about 1970. The party was over, figuratively and literally, after the great Civil Rights legislation of 1964 and 65.

But racism sure didn't vanish.

So where'd the racists go, Mikey? (Hint: keep an eye on Trent's idol Strom. (Trent started out as a Dem too.)) Quite a coincidence, don't you think, that there effectively was no GOP in the South till after LBJ's time? :roll:

You're so easy.... :P
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