Southerners?

Southerners?

PostBy: valley trash On: Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:48 am

Ive always wondered what folks up your way really think of the south and the civil war and such. Me being born and raised below the Mason-Dixon line, barring those white trash, give the south a bad name individuals. I dont condone the whole the south will rise again, im sure all the dead soldiers and brothers in the war wouldnt want it to happen again. Im just curious what your guy's take on the whole situation is. Proud to be from the south but more proud to be an American.
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Re: Southerners?

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:06 am

Being from the North, we never really think that much about that issue or the slavery issue. It's not something that even has occupied me untill now. :)
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Re: Southerners?

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:11 am

Agreed, being from Pa. all my life unless the subject comes up I never really think about. Served in the army with a lot of southerners & can`t recall the subject ever coming up then, hopefully its a part of our history that has a lesson learned & never to be repeated for any reason we are all Americans.
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Re: Southerners?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:15 am

My experience with people in the South has always been good. I have relatives that live in NC and my brother lived in Alabama and NC for a while. I'll relate a story when I was traveling along the interstate in Georgia going Towards Atlanta from Alabama. The dam tire tread pulled away but it didn't blow, there was an exit right up the road so instead of throwing the spare on I limped to the exit. Now this is the middle of no where.. A black man stopped and I asked if there was any place I could get a tire and he gave me directions which luckily was only about a mile down the road.

I pull into this place and it's not much more than a barn, I go inside and prominently displayed everywhere is racing tires. :roll: A white guy comes out who looks like Jesse from the Dukes of Hazard complete with overalls and the beard, so I'm thinking to myself these tires are going to be expensive figuring he's going to stick it to northern guy plus it wasn't exactly tire dealership. In any event they took care of me real quick and the charge was average, may have even been less than average. :D

Ironic but there is probably just as much racism in the North if not more. While the South has lived with blacks for generations working and living together that isn't the case in many Northern areas. There's a lot of hypocrites up North with the attitude that blacks are equal as long as they aren't in my neighborhood.
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Re: Southerners?

PostBy: valley trash On: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:21 am

samhill wrote: hopefully its a part of our history that has a lesson learned & never to be repeated for any reason we are all Americans.


Well put samhill. I am currently with the Air Force and yes ive met many amazing and unsavory individuals while serving, but the one thing that is constant is that we all have to live together and there aint nothing going to change that. And kudos to you Richard, you have been a victim of what some would call southern hospitality. And i thought that was a thing of yesteryear.
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Re: Southerners?

PostBy: bksaun On: Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:59 am

Lived in Ky all my life, been subjected to a good deal of hostility about the war, in some places feelings run deep even after all this time. Grew up hearing a lot of pre concieved ideas about people from different areas, but if you pay attention pretty soon you learn there is good and bad in all walks of life every where you go.

The character of the area where I live has changed for the worse since I was a child, a lot of the southern charm and hospitality is not as prevalent as it once was but is still around. Why, I don't really know. After traveling a bit I soon realized there are "Rednecks" on both sides of the river.

Most of the members on this forum are predominantly fron the North and I have to say are helpful, kind and generous. I cirtainly have a new found appreciation for our northern neigbors, great coal and fine beer! Thanks guys!

The worst thing that ever happened to the south, as far as the war is concerned, was the assasination of president Lincoln, reconstruction took a 180* turn and the aftermath was the reason for so much hatred of anyone from the North.

Most people when unhappy or dissatisfied with life look for something to place the blame on, see it all the time and when we are taught that as children some times it sticks.

The war is over and probably could have been avoided anyway. Water long past under the bridge.

An old saying around here is

"Whats the difference between a Yankee and a damned Yankee?

A Yankee eventually go's home! :lol:

Just kidding, when you come bring a case or two of Yuengling. We'll celebrate the end of the war together.

Cheers

Bk
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Re: Southerners?

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:19 pm

Recently we made the trip to the Civil War Museun located in our state capitol,Harrisburg.It is a wonderful exibit about a terrible time period.I came away sad for what it had cost familys on both sides of the war.All the young men so dedicated,so willing and so destroyed.We were a young nation,a strong nation and becoming capable of powerful destructive forces at that time. To harbor resentment or a grudge at this stage is absurd.There are wonderful people everyplace you look in this country and for me,there are no lines,real or imagined preventing us from finding them. Mike
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Re: Southerners?

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:36 pm

I agree with bksuan even though I come from the "far north". I have seen both sides, good and bad, in the South and the North. Up here though, most comments are from ignorance, because as was stated, we dont even think about it. Hey, I had family on both sides so what does that make me? Who cares? It is pointless to fight about what to call it. The War of Northern Aggression or the Civil War, nothing changes the fact that it happened. I am an American and I like to be treated as such no matter where I travel in the US. That may be asking a bit much however.

Kevin

Hitler came to power by capitalizing on the anger of the people about reparations after WWI. This was shortly after the fact. You can see how powerful these feelings are after more then 100 years in this country.
Oh yeah, I am still trying to sell out and moved to Tenn. myself, so I'll have to learn to say y'all!
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Re: Southerners?

PostBy: Cap On: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:39 pm

stokerscot wrote:Being from the North, we never really think that much about that issue or the slavery issue. It's not something that even has occupied me untill now. :)


I agree with this statement.
Folks from the South are great. I love them. Mostly very friendly people. I especuially like Texas folks, although Texas can be considered Southwest more so then South as we know it. BUT I really don't know how I feel about Florida. Different animal.
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PostBy: Paulie On: Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:25 pm

The " War of Northern Aggression" only comes up in history classes. Nobody and I mean NOBODY thinks or talks about it
in anyway. No hard feelings, no chips, nada. Impressions of the South are warm and gentile, American. Warm weather, lilting accents,
particularly female ones!
As far as the redneck thing.....that is really a cultural issue more than geographic. Trash is everywhere, regardless of its'
accent. You would think it would be a rural thing, but there is PLENTY in the metro areas as well.
It is interesting when the war comes up in discussions( a rarity), the causes and the root issue. History tells us it was slavery,
and its' spread to the new states and territories. Historically, that MAY have been true. What I believe , today, 150 odd years later, and it may have been the root cause then as well, just not talked about, or used to sell the war, is the breaking up
of the Union would not be allowed, for any reason. " United we stand, divided we fall..." The Lincoln White House and the
remainder of Congress took that to heart. Now in our politically correct world of today, slavery gets the nod as to the moral
reason for the 500,000.+ American deaths . But based on the aftermath of the war, reconstruction, Jim Crow laws, etc,
it is clear that the Unions primary focus was not the treatment of Blacks. If it was, racial issues would not exist today. No,
I believe, and history demonstrates, preservation of the Union of States was the primary reason for the North to fight.. The Southern
states were generally believed to be fighting for their way of life, their very existence. Ironically, slavery was on the way
out. The customers of the south, primarily Europe, where applying pressure to drop slavery, which they found distasteful.
Mechanical inventions would soon make slaves or armies of laborers obsolete for the cultivation cotton, the primary crop
of the South. Hind sight being 20/20, Lincoln should have listened to congress and let the South go, because odds are they
would have returned on their own fairly quickly. Ah well, we can not change history.
Read the Gettysburg Address, and it pretty much spells out the reason in the final summation. Gives me chills every time
I read it.
I am taking my son on a road trip this summer. We are going to travel
the route of the Civil war. I want to show him the price paid by everyone involved, so that "....government of the people,
by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth..."
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Re: Southerners?

PostBy: valley trash On: Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:19 am

Thank you Thank you Thank you, Paulie. You so articulately laid out what ive been saying for years without me writing it down. Few realize that the cotton gin was on its way in taking over the burden of the cotton business within a few short years. Thanks for all your reply's, i love to hear all sides of the story. I once got into an argument with a colored fellow about some issue of race and freedom and we wound up on the Civil War and how blacks are still under the whites thumb today. Being close to exploding with rage i calmly told this ignorant individual that close to 100 thousand white people fought for him to be here talking to me. He was obviously pissed but knew i was right. So many younger negroes dont even consider the cost of what has come to be or why they are mad.
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PostBy: jpete On: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:03 pm

"Rednecks" exist pretty much every where, north and south. Up here, I think we call them "Swamp Yankee's" :D

There are certainly some pockets of "The South Shall Rise Again" and I have a "Stars and Bars" with that saying on it to prove it! :D

I have a book called "Lies My Teacher Told Me" about how and what history is taught in schools. The author asserts that for many years, history books in the south generally called it "The War Between the States", sometimes "The War of Northern Aggression". Is that true? It was never anything but "The Civil War" around here.

As far as the "reasons" for the Civil War, we could debate that all day. I think it was the same thing as the Revolutionary War....TAXES!

The overly represented North passed laws which put heavy import tariffs on industrial goods manufactured in Britain if they were available domestically.

The North was gouging the Southern plantation owners on farm equipment so the south did what you and I do every day if we go to a "big box" store. They went and found a cheaper product, regardless of where it was made.

My philosophical question about the Civil War is, if you voluntarily join a group, can you voluntarily leave it?
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Re: Southerners?

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:08 pm

valley trash wrote: Few realize that the cotton gin was on its way in taking over the burden of the cotton business within a few short years.


The cotton gin only picked the seeds and twigs out of the cotton. If anything, this ramped up demand for cotton and also for slaves. As I said above, the double whammy of increased demand and the high import taxes on the equipment needed to grow and harvest it was what PO'd the plantation owners.

The north east had textile mills every five feet. The demand for cotton had to be unquenchable. The pressure on plantations to keep up had to be incredible.
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PostBy: Pete69 On: Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:08 pm

jpete wrote:As far as the "reasons" for the Civil War, we could debate that all day. I think it was the same thing as the Revolutionary War....TAXES!

The overly represented North passed laws which put heavy import tariffs
The North was gouging the Southern plantation owners


That's what I've always believed. United we stand, divided, well somebody is missing out on their tax revenue and there ability to manipulate the cost of the cotton they relied on, and needs to take it back at the end of a barrel. It always boils down to money, greed and the pursuit of power.
The history books are chuck full of lies and half truths. Lincoln was not against slavery, as is evident by his own writings and speeches.
As has been said, northerners have no issues with the subject, and think about it little.
Southerners for the most part have always treated me well, with hospitality, but I've been in some places of the south, mostly in small towns in the hills, where you walk into a diner or something and everyone in the whole place stops talking, turns around and stairs at the northern boy with the evil eye, like what the hell are you doing in our neck of the woods.
It's amazing how much has changed since then but the civil war was not that long ago in the course of history. I think the south has a right to be bitter, but those who are, are misguided to have a dislike for all northerners.
North and south, black and white, we are all being put under the thumb of the same power hungry greedy bastards!!!
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PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:54 am

I am a well known supporter of the south! My buddies all know what direction I would point the moving van if given the chance. ;)

When I moved to Phoenix, AZ, it was total culture shock for me. Lots of folks from all corners of America, but none of the yuppie, trendy, snobby, arrogant attitudes that I was born & raised around here in MA. Met & became good friends with guys from NC, GA, LA, FL, WV, etc .... They were all just like all the folks I met the last time I was down south in '84 ... friendly, respectful, & just true red-blooded, blue-collar, working class people -- MY kind of people! When I go down south, I feel like I'm in the place I was SUPPOSED to be. I think I was born in this state to test my being ....

I don't hate MA itself .... I hate the arrogant F*** heads up here. Tired of it. I've been out of the state, so I know what I'm missing! ;)
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