Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

PostBy: no74falcon On: Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:49 am

Ok, maybe I need help wih my new Hitzer 82FA. I have been using it since october (central NY) and since I have never had a hand fired coal stove, I have been slowly teaching myself how to burn coal in it as I had planned on burning wood. Like I said in another post, due to a miss understanding when I priced out and purchased the stove, the dealer gave me 1/4 ton to try and I ended up getting a little over 3/4 ton, to fill my portable bin.

After reading and educating myself a great deal thanks to everyone on here, thursday morning, on the 14th, I went for it! I had a nice bed of wood coals, so I put a little coal on top, let it get going, repeated that once more, than at 7:45 am., I loaded it right up to the top of the firebrick. Not having any idea what was going to happen, I stayed close to home all day so I could keep an eye on it. I had my dial heat regulator set around the middle and as it got warmer, I very gradually kept turning it down to the point that I was afraid it may snuff itself out. My stack temp was just under 200 where the flu comes out of the stove, as was the top of my stove, under the jacket. As it was in the mid to high 30's here thursday, I couldn't get the house under 80 with three windows open and the exhaust fan on in the bathroom. I was careful where I opened the windows as to not "feed" the fire more cool air, although like I said, it was closed down pretty tight. At 8:00 that night, I still had a lot of "stuff" (I call it that as I wasn't sure how much ash, unburned coal,etc. I had in there) so I shook it down like I have learned on here, but didn't know what to do. I let it go and at 2:30 am. friday, I got up to check it. Still not knowing what to do, I checked the temps which were the same (it was now pushing 90 in the house but had shut 2 windows and was down to around 30 outside), and said "The hell with it, I'll be around all day and will just let it go", so I put on a little more coal, but didn't fill it to the top of the brick this time. At 8:00 am. friday morning, I shook it down once more but left the fire alone, and at 8:00 pm. friday, I shook it down again and let it go. I got up at 6:00 this morning and it's still going strong, but the bed is finally getting down pretty good and it was still close to 90 in the house. All my temps. are still around the same. I do not have a baro in the stack, just the manual damper that comes built into the stove if anyone is familiar with this set up. I had never seen it before until I looked at the Hitzer.

Am i doing anything wrong? You guys have been such a great help already and I really appreciate everything I have learned from all of you. Thanks again, Allen
no74falcon
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: 2) Leisure Line Pioneers
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: 1) Hitzer 82FA, 1) Newmac WG100
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer, Newmac, Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: 82FA, WG100, Pioneer

Re: Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

PostBy: wlape3 On: Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:41 am

Sounds like you are definitely overfiring it. I'd see if you have some leaky gaskets or if you can cut back on the air supply to the fire. I assume you've already tried cutting back on the draft.

Have 10 years experience with a hand fired unit but none with a Hitzer.
wlape3
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: 140 auger, forced hot air

Re: Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

PostBy: no74falcon On: Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:35 am

Am I overfiring? I thought my temps were ok from what I read on here. My stack is just 36" long and my temp at the thimble were around 120-130 during this time and around 150 in the middle. The gaskets are fine as I did a very thorough look over of the whole stove as I had it in my shop for about a month, showing it off, before I installed it in the house. It is new, not new to me.

What should the temps be on the top surface of the fire box?. Like I said, the Hitzer set up with the manual damper installed as part of the stove, was unfamiliar. With the damper closed it shuts off the flu at the top of the box and forces the firebox to exit down low, at the bottom of the fire brick. The stove has now gone 48 hours on one fill of the box plus one pail full (3 gal).
no74falcon
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: 2) Leisure Line Pioneers
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: 1) Hitzer 82FA, 1) Newmac WG100
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer, Newmac, Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: 82FA, WG100, Pioneer

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Re: Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:44 am

Your stack temps are right on ... could just be you have a very well insulated house. You could probably choke the air off even more & run it cooler.

Either that or your thermometer is inaccurate & your stack is really 275° or higher ...
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

PostBy: oliver power On: Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:53 am

I'm not familiar with the Hitzer 82FA stove. I have had stoves with the internal dampers. Here are three little things you can do to restrict air flow/chimney draw. Keep the internal damper closed. Close down below grate air. If you have above grate air, open it up a little. Just a thought here...........Does the HITZER 82FA have two air draft inlets like the HITZER EZ-Flow models. I see you mentioned useing the auto draft dial. Didn't notice anything about any other air vents, like maybe an ash pan door "manual" vents.
oliver power
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: KEYSTOKER Kaa-2
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93 & 30-95, Vigilant (pre-Vigilant-II)
Baseburners & Antiques: MANY (Mostly when burning wood)
Stove/Furnace Make: HITZER / KEYSTOKER
Stove/Furnace Model: 50-93 & 30-95 , Kaa-2

Re: Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

PostBy: topper On: Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:04 am

how big is the "space" you are "heating"? A larger more open space or a smaller more "confined" space?
topper
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: 503

Re: Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

PostBy: no74falcon On: Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:30 am

Smitty,

I was using a infrared with a new battery but went down to the neighbors and borrowed his manual pipe stat and his infrared and they seem to be right on. Believe me, my house is NOT well insulated. The goof ball that half built it (he was very odd) might as well have built a screen house instead. But see my note to Topper.

Oliver Power,

My Hitzer has:
#1The auto draft dial, which is down low in the back
#2 The internal damper, which is opened or cclosed, nothing in between
#3 A spinner on the top loading door, I have learned is to help control "blow backs"
Nothing on the ash door.
By the way, I like your username. Do you have those tractors?


Topper,

Here is a photo and description of the house and how I have the furnace placed:

My house is 1250 sq. ft. (25x50) and is totally open on the front level with a kitchen and large dining area. The back level, which has a living area, bathroom, and two bedrooms, is 3 ft higher with a knee wall seperating the two levels. The Hitzer is located in the back of the lower half (yes, it's right in the house which I will probably move down under the house at some point in time) and I purchased a $8 12" elbow to direct the heat towards the front of the house and with natural convection of heat rising, it goes right up to the back level and the front and back are at the most, 2* difference. I have included a photo to help you get the idea and remember, my house is on 8x8 poles with no foundation underneath. The bottom of the back half is cold storage and is where I now keep my wood and where I kept my bagged rice when I was using my stoker. Now, I did insulate the floors when I got the house but the wind can blow right under it, unless we get lots of that poor man's insulation that falls from the sky, which helps a lot!
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no74falcon
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: 2) Leisure Line Pioneers
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: 1) Hitzer 82FA, 1) Newmac WG100
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer, Newmac, Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: 82FA, WG100, Pioneer

Re: Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

PostBy: topper On: Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:50 pm

ok - thanks. I too think your stack, etc. temps are in a pretty good range. Maybe you are overfiring it (too much draft) - but i dont get the sense you are overfiring based upon your stove/pipe temps. My thoughts are this - I hope i am wrong - for me (northern Maine) outside temps in the 30s and my Hitzer (model 503) heats 1800 sq ft to 76 - 78 pretty easy. As you know, your model 82 is rated to 92,000 btus - with a heating area up to 3000 sf - relative I know. But, I suspect your 1250 sf home - even not well insulated - is very easy for the model 82 to heat to "excess" quite easily. You may have too much stove for your 1250 sf.

If the stove has a blower(s) turn them off in warm weather. In warm weather minimize your draft while remaining safe - carbon monoxide, etc. And, obviously, used your windows. Everthing I have read at this site indictaes that a call to the Hitzer manufacturer folks will result in good feedback from them. So, I would give them a call.

Good luck!!
topper
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: 503

Re: Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:35 pm

If you open the damper that directs the exhaust the long way around...
But keep the air intake to a minimum...
You will spill more heat up the chimney and out of the house...
Also check the air intake for a small piece of coal or rock...
That would prevent the air door from closing all the way...
And causing the temps to be higher than they should be...
I have a DS Machine Basement #4 that puts out 130k btu...
I can dial that bad boy down when it warms up like today...
The temps stay 72-74 and no windows open...
Cottage by the beach poorly insulated house...
When you dial it back is the air door closing at any time or does it stay open?
CapeCoaler
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:12 pm

Sounds like you have discovered the heating power of the Model 82 furance. These stoves have a big firebox, and can really throw some btu's. If you are achieving a 48 hour burn, I think you have done a pretty good job of "throttling it down". You will have to experiment to see how low you can set the automatic damper and maintain a fire. You can also try shaking the grates less often, a little more ash buildup will help restrict the airflow through the stove. My dad does this with his model 82, and he still has to crack the windows on warm days.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Coal Size/Type: Rice/buck
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

PostBy: no74falcon On: Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:45 pm

I want to say thank you to everyone that has given me input. What I forgot to mention is that thursday morning, right after I loaded it, I had the damper closed so the exhaust was going out through the bottom vent, like I thought it should be and when I checked my stack temps, they were very hot... over 500, right up to where it was going into the chimney. I opened the damper, so it would go out the top, like it should with the damper opened, and it cooled the stack temps back down to where I thought they should be. After a while, I closed it again and everything seemed normal and the temps. stayed low. Not sure about that but it all seems good now.

Capecoaler, I did check my draft but it was closing all the way. Nothing keeping it open.

I have a reputation of making sure whatever I get is plenty big enough. I probably should have got the model 55! Thanks again everyone.
no74falcon
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: 2) Leisure Line Pioneers
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: 1) Hitzer 82FA, 1) Newmac WG100
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer, Newmac, Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: 82FA, WG100, Pioneer

Re: Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Jan 16, 2010 4:36 pm

Alan,over-kill.I love it.You could of been an old Harley guy!Keep playing with it & make that phone call--love the looks of the house-functional-them old hippies used to come up with some strange designs--then they got rich off other people & most moved back to the cities or SUBURBS--hope nobody takes that personal--just one old guys observation--if I can remember how I did it before I'll put a pix of the old homestead on here at some point--next brain-fart
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

PostBy: sharkman8810 On: Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:11 pm

Sounds like your doing fine by me. You can run it, keep a fire going etc. I think you have to much stove. An 82 is kinda big for 1250 s.f. Maybe use pea coal, and put a barometric damper on the flue pipe will help.
sharkman8810
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: hitzer 82 ul
Coal Size/Type: nut
Stove/Furnace Make: hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: 82 u.l.

Re: Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

PostBy: oliver power On: Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:44 pm

sharkman8810 wrote:Sounds like your doing fine by me. You can run it, keep a fire going etc. I think you have to much stove. An 82 is kinda big for 1250 s.f. Maybe use pea coal, and put a barometric damper on the flue pipe will help.
I'm thinking the same thing..........to much stove for the house.
oliver power
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: KEYSTOKER Kaa-2
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93 & 30-95, Vigilant (pre-Vigilant-II)
Baseburners & Antiques: MANY (Mostly when burning wood)
Stove/Furnace Make: HITZER / KEYSTOKER
Stove/Furnace Model: 50-93 & 30-95 , Kaa-2

Re: Please... Help me with my Hitzer!

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:16 am

I run the DS Basement #4 130k btu rating...
1900 sq ft including the basement where the stove is located...
Temps stay nice 64 in basement 72 upstairs...
Need the full output on cold windy days...
You just need to learn the stove and how to run it at lower heat levels...
CapeCoaler
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

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