Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

Re: Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:25 am

uffbro--go to Venting,Plumbing,etc. section,maybe you'll find something you can check out--I did!!Rember, common sense goes a long way--hopefully you'll have straightened out this problem by now--perservierance(sp)
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Re: Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

PostBy: uffbros On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:50 pm

Ok..Baro Damper installed and fired up now. The damper stays open just a little bit..not much. He used a manometer. I haven't seen this damper move in 3 hours it has been installed. Is it supposed to move much? Not windy here today. Since my last post I have been getting much better times on my burns. I think I was maybe ok without the damper as I just got 15 hours on a load of coal yesterday before shutting down for the baro install. I make sure the ash pan is all red before I reload..I have found this to be key in keeping a fire while at work. I come home and still unburned coal on top with the blue ladies. I'll see what this does..Guess you have to give it awhile. Should I now need to open the bottom draft more or less since the install? I had it set perfect to 1.25 turn to achieve above mentioned burn times.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
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Re: Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:02 pm

where ever the control was set when he adjusted the baro is where I would leave it... was there no wind during the adjustment?? it will only move when the wind blows or the stack temp changes with the seasons.

patience and observance of conditions and settings , will make it clear what does what ;) :)
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Re: Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

PostBy: uffbros On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:28 pm

he just fired it up I think we had the bottom ash door open just making a new fire. What is the proper way? I can tell you the damper is open about 1/4". I really don't think he knew proper way
to do this.
uffbros
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: Mark II

Re: Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:45 pm

well, if it was set with the ash door open......a lot of air was going thru the stove no??

and when you close it and adjust the air control then less air is going thru the stove....

but the baro is set for the "lots" of air......

its often why a permanent installation is best cause you can moniter changes and adjust accordingly.

you should get it burning good and strong and adjusted the way you want,THEN measure and adjust the baro....this way you can be confident of the expected way it will burn under those set adjustments..

8-)
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Stove/Furnace Make: Buckwalter & Co. , EFM520
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Re: Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

PostBy: uffbros On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:01 pm

A co-worker lent me his manometer to adjust the barometric damper. I have a medium sized fire going so I stick the probe in the hole and I get -.04 reading. I then push the damper in and out and there is absolutely no change in the reading still -.04 any way you adjust it. Can this be possible? Side stove temp is 300°. Harman says that the setting should be a min of -.06.
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Re: Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:06 pm

uffbros wrote:A co-worker lent me his manometer to adjust the barometric damper. I have a medium sized fire going so I stick the probe in the hole and I get -.04 reading. I then push the damper in and out and there is absolutely no change in the reading still -.04 any way you adjust it. Can this be possible? Side stove temp is 300°. Harman says that the setting should be a min of -.06.



my first question would be : did you calibrate the manometer to zero?

better yet did you give it the "blow" test" :confused: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

and.... did it move? is "the hole" on the stove side of the pipe that the baro is in??


check the draft before the baro...
how bout a pic? :)
Poconoeagle
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Buckwalter & Co. , EFM520
Stove/Furnace Model: No. 28 Glenwood 1880, Alaska

Re: Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

PostBy: rberq On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:05 pm

uffbros wrote:A co-worker lent me his manometer to adjust the barometric damper. I have a medium sized fire going so I stick the probe in the hole and I get -.04 reading. I then push the damper in and out and there is absolutely no change in the reading still -.04 any way you adjust it. Can this be possible? Side stove temp is 300°. Harman says that the setting should be a min of -.06.

You had a pro install your baro, and he set it with a manometer, so let's assume for the moment that he knew what he was doing. You also say you are getting good long burns now. So leave it alone for a few days and see how things go.

Harman says you should have a minimum of .06, but many (myself included) run well at less draft. My Harman is presently between .04 and .05 and I am happy with it. To answer your other question, about the baro moving -- if the wind is not gusty, and if your stove is burning steadily, then no, the baro will hardly move at all.
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Re: Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:29 pm

Mine runs 24+ hours on one load at .04" - no more than .05".

My long burn times have more to do with coal quality than technique ... with a different brand last year (and 3 prior years) I was never able to achieve more than 14 -15 hours max. doing the same as I do now.
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
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Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
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Re: Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

PostBy: Chuck_Steak On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:36 pm

Poconoeagle wrote: you should get it burning good and strong and adjusted the way you want,THEN measure and adjust the baro....this way you can be confident of the expected way it will burn under those set adjustments..

8-)


I'd go one further and say that after you have it going the way you like it WAIT for
at least a half hour without touching it. THEN you will know that your adjustments are what
you want..

Remember, coal is slower than I am, when it comes to reaction times. :oops:
Small adjustments take quite a while to show their true effect.

I agree with rberg on the 'minimum' draft.
Mine runs nearly all the time between .04-.05.
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Coal Size/Type: mostly nut, sometimes stove, Santa brand
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: Mark III

Re: Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

PostBy: Chuck_Steak On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:38 pm

SMITTY wrote:Mine runs 24+ hours on one load at .04" - no more than .05".

My long burn times have more to do with coal quality than technique ... with a different brand last year (and 3 prior years) I was never able to achieve more than 14 -15 hours max. doing the same as I do now.


Come... quit being a tease.
What WERE you using, and what ARE you using.. :secret:
Chuck_Steak
 
Coal Size/Type: mostly nut, sometimes stove, Santa brand
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Re: Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:41 pm

:D WAS using Kimmels bagged nut.

Now using Blashak bagged nut. Swear to God ... it really was that big of a difference! :shock:
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
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Re: Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

PostBy: Chuck_Steak On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:51 pm

SMITTY wrote::D WAS using Kimmels bagged nut.

Now using Blashak bagged nut. Swear to God ... it really was that big of a difference! :shock:


WOW... that is quite a difference.
And you are doing everything exactly the same as before?
I'm using Kimmels.... Thought it was decent stuff... consistent sizing, no crap in it,
and what I thought good burns... like you were getting.. :cry:
Chuck_Steak
 
Coal Size/Type: mostly nut, sometimes stove, Santa brand
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Stove/Furnace Model: Mark III

Re: Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

PostBy: PC 12-47E On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:08 pm

SMITTY wrote::D WAS using Kimmels bagged nut.

Now using Blashak bagged nut. Swear to God ... it really was that big of a difference! :shock:


Smitty, last year I went through this Blashak/Kimmel's test with a different results.......... :nono:

Now, I will have to do it all over again. :doh: :crazy: :bang:

PC 12

Edit: I change the baro setting from -.04 to -.06 from warm temps to cold temps. This makes a big

change in heat !!!!
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Re: Keeping My Stove Going While At Work

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:13 pm

I'm tending to the stove the exact same way I did last year.

PC 12 ... I think this was just a good vein that I just happened to get. I guess I'll know for sure if I get the same results next season ...
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
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