ACORN, Friend of ...

ACORN, Friend of ...

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:29 pm

you guessed it....

in his own words:
http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/obama_caught_saying_acorn_and_friends_will_shape_his/
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.



are we done yet ?
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Re: ACORN, Friend of ...

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:53 pm

Just imagine all the stuff that wasn't caught on tape .... :shock:
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Re: ACORN, Friend of ...

PostBy: stockingfull On: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:37 pm

OK, what evidence is there that they in any way DID help shape the agenda?

I mean, like, for example, Big Oil helped shape energy policy in the secret meetings with Cheney?
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Re: ACORN, Friend of ...

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:04 pm

stockingfull wrote:OK, what evidence is there that they in any way DID help shape the agenda?

I mean, like, for example, Big Oil helped shape energy policy in the secret meetings with Cheney?


I hate this kind of argument which convinces nobody. It's like a little kid telling his mother "all the other kids do it."

It is also beneath you given the fact that you are capable of advancing your side of the argument in a clear and reasonable manner as I have seen from some of your other posts.

I know the other side does it too, and it is just as bad.
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Re: ACORN, Friend of ...

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:49 pm

Where was the screaming then?

I will not sit quietly by and read completely unsubstantiated "influence peddling" rumors about this Administration when nobody was hollering about BLATANT insider dealing in the last.
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Re: ACORN, Friend of ...

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:05 pm

stockingfull wrote:Where was the screaming then?

I will not sit quietly by and read completely unsubstantiated "influence peddling" rumors about this Administration when nobody was hollering about BLATANT insider dealing in the last.


Nevertheless it does not advance your cause. It just says your side is just as crooked as mine, which sadly is probably the truth.
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Re: ACORN, Friend of ...

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:09 pm

Doesn't say that at all, because this one is a viral, and completely unsubstantiated, RUMOR.

That's what makes it all the more outrageous when viewed in context.

Post a source that it's actually happened, or happening, or bury this BS.
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Re: ACORN, Friend of ...

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:43 pm

stockingfull wrote:Doesn't say that at all, because this one is a viral, and completely unsubstantiated, RUMOR.

That's what makes it all the more outrageous when viewed in context.

Post a source that it's actually happened, or happening, or bury this BS.


Don't you think it reasonable for the President to consult with those who helped elect him? I do. I also think it reasonable to consult with big oil on energy policy and with the Fed and big banks on fiscal policy. Don't you? Why does there have to be the implication of wrong doing?
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Re: ACORN, Friend of ...

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:49 pm

stockingfull wrote:Doesn't say that at all, because this one is a viral, and completely unsubstantiated, RUMOR.

That's what makes it all the more outrageous when viewed in context.

Post a source that it's actually happened, or happening, or bury this BS.



We dont have recordings of Obama taking advice from ACORN - he didnt keep his word to put the discussions on C-SPAN
but then he is given a pass cause he didnt know how hard that would be to do

So we excuse all his lies/misspeaks broken promises for lack of experience
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Re: ACORN, Friend of ...

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:51 pm

stockingfull wrote:Where was the screaming then?

I will not sit quietly by and read completely unsubstantiated "influence peddling" rumors about this Administration when nobody was hollering about BLATANT insider dealing in the last.



show me a video of big oil whispering in Ws ear

We dont have bush on tape *promising* to be influenced by big oil

So if Obama DIDNT let acorn shape his agenda then did he lie or just misspeak
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Re: ACORN, Friend of ...

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:17 pm

The diff is that we know that Big Oil was in the WH w/ Cheney. They just refused to release the details.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/15/AR2005111501842.html

But at least it wasn't a re-run of some old stump speech. It's far worse.
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Re: ACORN, Friend of ...

PostBy: brckwlt On: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:13 am

stockingfull wrote:The diff is that we know that Big Oil was in the WH w/ Cheney. They just refused to release the details.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/15/AR2005111501842.html

But at least it wasn't a re-run of some old stump speech. It's far worse.



WOW thats all the proof in the world. anything from the washington times is 100 percent accurate. That story means nothing and proves nothing.
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Re: ACORN, Friend of ...

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:40 am

It's SOME proof, which is more than anyplace else here on this topic.... :roll:

Put up or shut up.
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Re: ACORN, Friend of ...

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:13 am

If you are using the main stream media for your main source of information you are only getting half the story - the half you want to believe. I have seen video of Barrack Obama telling an audience of union members that "before he talks health care, he speaks to Andy Sterne and the SEIU." That was filmed during the campaign. It is also documented that Andy has been the number one visitor at the White House this past year. This is one of the same unions who received an exemption from the “Cadillac” health care tax, too. You won't read or see that on CNN or the net works but fortunately there is FOX and the internet. Don’t believe me, it’s easy to look up thanks to the internet – go for it. If you want the truth you'll find it half way between the two. If you’re happy with the status quo, don’t bother. Lisa
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Re: ACORN, Friend of ...

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:52 am

Well, the corps and the unions (and there are far more of the former) just got full 1st Amendment rights -- curiously nowhere stated in the Constitution for corporations -- from the "activist" conservative bloc :verycool: on the Supreme Court, so you won't have to worry about all this left-wing influence being hidden by the MSM anymore.

Meanwhile, Obama, or any President, is absolutely entitled to speak with and listen to anybody he chooses. At least it's not a secret anymore who those people are. :roll:

And "Big Money" will be absolutely free to create any propaganda they want about issues, people or candidates, and spew it as far as their dollars (oops, I mean their shareholders' dollars) will carry it.
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