Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: efo141 On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:34 pm

titleist1"[quote="titleist1 wrote:So if I understand correctly, you pay your share of your insurance plan through your employer and you pay an additional $4200 per year

Yes, but:
I live in MA but work in CT. My Co is owned by a Co based in NC. In my case, i don't know what that means for me as far as my cost of the co's plan.
So far my cost through the Co plan has gone up every year.This year my deductibles & co-pays have gone up also. Plus, they dropped all contributions to my 401K.
I think someone that work's and lives in Ma could give you a better answer.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:22 pm

When I was working, my health insurance rose STEEPLY since they enacted this bullshit law, year after year. I went from having free health insurance, to paying $20/week, to $40/ week & hundreds of dollars in bills for things that weren't covered (and was climbing before the job went bye bye), to $1000/month for Cobra.

Sounds great ..... if your last name is Rockerfeller, or Gates. :roll: Bottom line? MA's healthcare system moves you from middle class, to upper lower class in terms of income status.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:01 pm

How do you know that the hikes wouldn't have been even greater w/o the law and the compulsory pool of insureds it created?
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:21 pm

Because health insurance didn't increase much year after year. Once this dumb assed law was passed, everyones insurance shot up ... while suddenly things that used to be covered, were not. Doesn't take a PHD in economics to see the trend ...
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:26 pm

Of course it doesn't to see the trend. That's like saying you see the sun rise and move across the sky every day, so the sun must be circling the earth.

But how much of the cost increase to attribute to the mandate and how much to exploding costs and insurer profits, well, that's a little more complex. Do you have any sources to show that, but for "Romneycare," Mass would be immune from the skyrocketing cost of healthcare everyplace else in the country?
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:33 pm

No, but not one person can prove that MA, or anywhere else for that matter, would be any better off with obamacare.

I would hazard a guess that MA has the most expensive healthcare in the country. No? From what I hear, it's true.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:36 pm

Don't duck the question.

Where has anybody with actual facts suggested that "Romneycare" has made costs escalate faster in Mass than in states without a mandate?
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: SMITTY On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:47 pm

All you need to do is ask anyone that lives here (MA). Then ask someone in the midwest what they pay. Pretty simple.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:48 pm

stockingfull wrote:Don't duck the question.

Where has anybody with actual facts suggested that "Romneycare" has made costs escalate faster in Mass than in states without a mandate?


Where are YOUR facts to show that our national per capita expenditure causes us to be 37th in the world in results?

Submit your evidence counselor!
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: mr1precision On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:03 pm

titleist1 wrote:
mr1precision wrote:I know lots of people including myself that like him and would love to see him in the oval office. Jay Severen is probably his biggest fan. He couldnt get alot done because almost everything he tried to pass got shot down in the house. You can thank Sal Demassi (criminal)for that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_DiMasi


I see you're from MA. How is the healthcare system working out for you? Did you see your cost go up or down, your level of care improve / degrade, are you able to effectively shop for an insurer?


I cant say that the costs have gone down. More people are covered though. I'd say the cost is slightly higher. There are about five health insurance companies to choose from. It's not perfect thats for sure. However,
the it doesnt really have the PUBLIC option. I'm not sure it's the total answer but its a start.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:28 pm

jpete wrote:
stockingfull wrote:Don't duck the question.

Where has anybody with actual facts suggested that "Romneycare" has made costs escalate faster in Mass than in states without a mandate?


Where are YOUR facts to show that our national per capita expenditure causes us to be 37th in the world in results?

Submit your evidence counselor!


OK, you asked for it.

#37 in outcomes, regardless of cost. Behind those terrible systems in England and Canada. Oh, and behind Costa Rica.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

By far the highest cost of any major country. Switzerland and France are next at #9 and #10.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html
Not only are we at the top, but we're getting progressively worse on the world-scale: our increase during the 5-yr period is over 15%, while Germany rose less than 4% and Italy (#2 in outcomes) rose less than 10%.

Now, for the third time, let's see YOUR evidence!
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:57 pm

stockingfull wrote:
OK, you asked for it.

#37 in outcomes. Behind those terrible systems in England and Canada. Oh, and behind Costa Rica.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html


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Take the premature births that is often cited. You need to look behind the numbers:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db23.htm

Infant mortality rates for preterm (less than 37 weeks of gestation) infants are lower in the United States than in most European countries; however, infant mortality rates for infants born at 37 weeks of gestation or more are higher in the United States than in most European countries.


So the US has a better track record for preemies, now lets add this into the equation:
The main cause of the United States’ high infant mortality rate when compared with Europe is the very high percentage of preterm births in the United States.


Now do think just maybe it's a matter of exceptional care that is allowing many babies to be born that may have no chance anywhere else? :idea:

One other thing to note is live births are reported differently in different areas, while all live births are reported in the US, France as an example who is at the top of the WHO list makes these exceptions:
Live births at 22 weeks of gestation or more, or 500 grams birthweight or more
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:03 am

Care to "bottom-line" that, Richard?

Make whatever supportable correction(s) you have sources for to the overall WHO assessments, so we have something to discuss.

Otherwise, it would seem to be, ahem, a "deflection."
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:14 am

stockingfull wrote:
jpete wrote:
stockingfull wrote:Don't duck the question.

Where has anybody with actual facts suggested that "Romneycare" has made costs escalate faster in Mass than in states without a mandate?


Where are YOUR facts to show that our national per capita expenditure causes us to be 37th in the world in results?

Submit your evidence counselor!


OK, you asked for it.

#37 in outcomes, regardless of cost. Behind those terrible systems in England and Canada. Oh, and behind Costa Rica.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

By far the highest cost of any major country. Switzerland and France are next at #9 and #10.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html
Not only are we at the top, but we're getting progressively worse on the world-scale: our increase during the 5-yr period is over 15%, while Germany rose less than 4% and Italy (#2 in outcomes) rose less than 10%.

Now, for the third time, let's see YOUR evidence!


You have two pieces of data. We spend a lot of money and we are rated #37 in outcomes. That's all you've got. Connect the dots. We are clearly spending enough money. Maybe we should spend less?

Are our doctors not as good as the ones in Costa Rica?

Where do you believe we need to change things? It's not giving everyone insurance. Most people already have it. And yet we are still 37th.

I don't have to present evidence. I'm doing the questioning here. You made an assertion. Prove it.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:34 am

I have proved it. We spend more, get less and are the only remaining industrialized nation without a universal system.

If you don't comprehend that, it's because you are unwilling to.
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