Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Jan 24, 2010 7:35 pm

stockingfull wrote:That you guys cannot perceive the connection between (a) and (b) is astonishing.

Plan on being impressed like that a lot. ;)
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:39 pm

stockingfull wrote:You guys act like this will "ruin" our "great" economy.

Couple problems with that: (a) our economy isn't "great" (in no small part because of ballooning health care cost and the burden of the uninsured), and (b) we're the only industrialized nation left on the planet which hasn't established a universal system, so it not only doesn't follow that it'll "ruin" the economy, the contrary actually is true.

That you guys cannot perceive the connection between (a) and (b) is astonishing.


Our economy isn't "great" because of fiat money and arbitrary creation of money. Ballooning health care costs are a symptom, not a cause.

Everything else comes from money creation. That you don't see that isn't astonishing at all.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:47 pm

jpete wrote:Our economy isn't "great" because of fiat money and arbitrary creation of money. Ballooning health care costs are a symptom, not a cause.

Everything else comes from money creation. That you don't see that isn't astonishing at all.

Oh, I understand that we're in deep sh!t. And the riverboat gambling on Wall Street propped it up long after we stopped being competitive in the world marketplace.

So now we're hitting the floor quite a bit harder.

But you're simply fooling yourself if you don't think our healthcare mess isn't dragging us down even faster.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:54 pm

stockingfull wrote:
jpete wrote:Our economy isn't "great" because of fiat money and arbitrary creation of money. Ballooning health care costs are a symptom, not a cause.

Everything else comes from money creation. That you don't see that isn't astonishing at all.

Oh, I understand that we're in deep sh!t. And the riverboat gambling on Wall Street propped it up long after we stopped being competitive in the world marketplace.

So now we're hitting the floor quite a bit harder.

But you're simply fooling yourself if you don't think our healthcare mess isn't dragging us down even faster.


Wall St can't gamble if the government doesn't print the money.

I realize you are a liar....er...lawyer by profession, but don't lie to yourself.

Wall St, healthcare, bad mortgages, etc, etc, are all products of rampant money creation on the part of the government. The government YOU want to trust with your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

I'll fight it until I die.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:22 pm

You must be young. Very young.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:25 pm

stockingfull wrote:You must be young. Very young.


On a geological scale, I would imagine 40 is quite young.

And judging by how long most of my family lives, it's not quite middle age.

What's the age limit to be pissed off at the loss of liberty due to a tyrannous government?
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:28 pm

It's not the age limit to be pissed off to which I refer. It's the age limit for believing that you can do much about it.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:41 pm

stockingfull wrote:It's not the age limit to be pissed off to which I refer. It's the age limit for believing that you can do much about it.


Should I wait for you and the government to help me?

Maybe I should sit quietly and wonder how things went wrong.

YOU and that attitude are how things went wrong. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:44 pm

Jeff, here's the deal:

:bang:

You just keep doing that till you find another way. Everybody goes through the same progression. Takes longer for some than others. Some, like Ron Paul on the one hand, and Ralph Nader on the other, choose to stay on the outside and try to inspire people. But they rarely attain power. And history tells us it usually doesn't turn out well when they do.

For me, I've been through the "purity phase," I've learned certain lessons and I try to apply them.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:57 pm

You give up if you want. I'll fight twice as hard. :D

I've got more than enough reasons to keep it up.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:35 pm

stockingfull wrote:(b) we're the only industrialized nation left on the planet which hasn't established a universal system, so it not only doesn't follow that it'll "ruin" the economy, the contrary actually is true.


And everyone of the systems has troubles, in Japan hospitals are going bankrupt. In many of those countries doctors don't make that much.... that's certainly an incentive for some of the brightest minds to become doctors isn't it? How many people coming out of HS will want to be a doctor if they could make just as much taking an easier path?
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:22 am

Jpete! You got me convinced there is just way too much money out there so I`ll tell you what. Out of the kindness of my heart if everyone sends me their money I`ll take it to my burn barrel (still allowed here) & get rid of it . I will also take gold & silver but send nothing in return , that would simply put more money out there & we couldn`t have that. I know it may be a drop in a bucket but every little bit helps & I`m for one willing to do my part.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:00 pm

samhill wrote:Jpete! You got me convinced there is just way too much money out there so I`ll tell you what. Out of the kindness of my heart if everyone sends me their money I`ll take it to my burn barrel (still allowed here) & get rid of it . I will also take gold & silver but send nothing in return , that would simply put more money out there & we couldn`t have that. I know it may be a drop in a bucket but every little bit helps & I`m for one willing to do my part.


I'd love to help you out but it seems like every spare dollar I get the government takes and gives to someone else. By the end of the week, there's nothing left for me. :D
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:20 pm

Thanks anyhow jpete, just my luck. I knew I should have started those sell me your gold envelops when I wanted to. Story of my life, day late & dollar short.
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Re: Current Config & Status of MA Healthcare system

PostBy: mr1precision On: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:36 am

I think everyone should see this before jumping on the government run health care band wagon.
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