Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resolute stove?

Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resolute stove?

PostBy: spiker On: Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:15 am

I presently use a Jotul 8 wood stove and am looking into purchasing a used Vermont Castings Resolute stove to burn coal. I much prefer the idea of the 2 door version rather than the single door that hinges downward, and want to be sure that I purchase a version of the stove that can be converted to coal. If I were to buy the wood stove and coal kit separately how can I be sure that the stove will work for coal. For example, when I look through images of the Resolute stoves available on Craigslist, I notice that some appear to have an access port on the front lower left for the shaker handle, and others don't.

So for those that have experience with this stove, are there features of the stove that have to exist for the coal conversion kit to work correctly?

I have been reading this website for months now and really appreciate the information that everyone provides.
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Re: Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resoute stove?

PostBy: Pete69 On: Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:12 pm

I can't answer your question, but will be so bold as to offer some advice. If you like the VC and want to burn coal, for what it will cost you for the stove and the conversion kit you could probably find a used Vigilant 2310 coal stove that would be nicer to use. They have a swing out ash pan that makes it nice for emptying. They are top loading, have double front doors, and parts will be readily available for some time to come.
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Re: Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resolute stove?

PostBy: spiker On: Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:59 pm

Thanks for the suggestion. The problem for me is that my space (house/room/fireplace) is quit small and I want to be able to recess the stove a few inches into the fireplace, which has worked really well with my Jotul now. The max height is 29.5 in with that setup, and the Vigilant, even with short legs is around 31, and the pipe outlet runs at that max height, so even putting the stove in front of the brick will not allow the pipe to reach the flue. If anyone knows how I can safely fit even shorter legs I would be interested to know.

I do like the VC because we use the stove in our main living space and I want a good looking stove, both for my tastes and to get the wife to sign-off on the idea of coal. I welcome other suggestions for nice looking stoves.
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Re: Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resolute stove?

PostBy: spiker On: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:20 pm

I noticed this Efel Stove. Does anyone recognize the model and have a review of how effective a coal stove it is? I did some research and it sounds as thought Efel stoves generally provide a shaker handle on the rear of the stove that moves a single grate back and forth, and then provides access ports for slicing the grate. I would prefer a more effective shaker system, so would appreciate feedback on this. The seller has not replied to my email asking for info on the stove yet.


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Re: Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resolute stove?

PostBy: rewinder On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:21 pm

Hi there

i had an older 1st gen resolute with drop down door, and it was a pain compared to the double doors (in the coal conversion style)

If you're looking at getting a resolute, be sure to get it with all the parts that make up the conversion kit. the shaker handle sits on a little shelf thing attached by the same bolt as the left hand leg. the shaker rod goes thru a hole just above it, and on the stoves that i saw in stores at the time I bought mine ( early 80's) the hole was plugged with a threaded plug in the wood models.

the kit, complete, should fit any early resolute, parts were interchangable with the drop down model i had, into the double door one I use now.

Parts are hard to find, except for the ones that Woodmans Stove Shop sells. I got a set of grates his fall to replace the 30 year old ones. they have some other parts, but not a complete kit/


mine hums along just fine on pea coal, but doesn't feed as nicely on nut. the vigilant burns both well, but it burns lower in the warm weather on pea.

In a smaller space, the resolute would do a good job, as it can burn at a low 200 to 300 deg for a lot longerr that at 500 -550 that we use when really cold temps hit us.

Just to recap, be sure you get ALL the coal parts, you can also cut the cast legs to lower the stove for a fireplace opening
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Re: Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resolute stove?

PostBy: spiker On: Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:28 pm

Thanks for the input. You confirmed my suspicion that the drop down door would be a bother relative to the split doors.

On the resolute, does the shaker rod pass through the stove body in the lower front left, as I suspect? I just want to be sure I know where to look for the bolt plug if it is wood stove.

I am trying to decide if I should focus my search on a particular VC model. The Vig II is in production and designed for coal, although I would have to shorten the legs and it would likely cost more to acquire. But is it so much easier to use that I should be willing to pay a significant premium? How would other users rate the Resolute vs Vig I and II. Any would produce enough heat for my small house, so I am interested in easy of use, positive/negative experiences. I have noticed that the Vig I often has very short legs that would probably make it fit partly reset into my fireplace. Based on experience, would you go after one over the other, or are they similar and focus on price vs condition?

Thanks everyone.
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Re: Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resolute stove?

PostBy: rewinder On: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:25 pm

From what I've seen on crag's list the VigII are more expensive, but probably easier to run, as they are made for coal, not a conversion. And others here lave good luck with them. As to height, since you're putting it on a hearth I think, cutting the legs on a band saw should be ok since you probably have a good thick stome/brick base to act as a heat sink and not be a fire hazzard . You can also make up a sheet metal heat shield to go under the stove to cut down on radiant heat from pushing down. I think VC used to offer bottom heat shield on their stoves in the old days.

That said, if I were looking for a VC stove, and not worring about any height issues, I'd go with the VII, it can hold more pounds of coal ,, you can run it lower output if it's in a smaller space. this equals more time between tending. And still use wood in it for occasional evening fires in the fall and spring.

For the few hunders dollars at the most you'd spend between the two types, the VII will pay off in the long run.

I already had my two stoves from the 80's, and hadn't run coal in them for 20 years till last year, when oil prices were going up in the late summer, and I decided to fire them up again. Since I already knew how t run them , and they were in good shape, it was a no-brainer for me.

I really contimplated replacing one of mine with the VII used, but these are doing the job, and tonite is the test, it's about 6 deg and the wind is howling around this old not too tight farmhouse. days like this i burn about 80 lbs in 24 hrs.
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Re: Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resolute stove?

PostBy: dlj On: Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:31 pm

spiker wrote:Thanks for the suggestion. The problem for me is that my space (house/room/fireplace) is quit small and I want to be able to recess the stove a few inches into the fireplace, which has worked really well with my Jotul now. The max height is 29.5 in with that setup, and the Vigilant, even with short legs is around 31, and the pipe outlet runs at that max height, so even putting the stove in front of the brick will not allow the pipe to reach the flue. If anyone knows how I can safely fit even shorter legs I would be interested to know.

I do like the VC because we use the stove in our main living space and I want a good looking stove, both for my tastes and to get the wife to sign-off on the idea of coal. I welcome other suggestions for nice looking stoves.


James,

I have the older style two door Resolute that you've been discussing. In fact I'd sell mine to you if you want, but I'm not selling it cheap...

Anyway, On the older Resolutes of this type, there were two ways to get them from Vermont, as wood stoves where you could buy a coal conversion kit, or as coal stoves where you could buy a wood conversion kit. Mine is the coal stove where you could buy the wood conversion kit if you wanted. The coal stove with wood conversion was a much more rare configuration. It was also more expensive because Vermont used a special high temperature casting alloy in their coal stoves that they did not use in their wood stoves. At least that's what the Vermont literature said, I've always wanted to check to see if that was really true, but never have.

There are two significant advantages; one, the stoves are harder to burn out, and two, the parts all fit better. One of the guys on this forum suggests to put a gasket in the front doors, but on my stove, those parts fit so tightly, I've never needed that at all. I'm sure on the wood stoves with the coal conversion kit, that would be needed.

I made shorter legs for my stove. They are adjustable from about 4" high to about 3" high. I wanted to put mine partly inside my fireplace and be able to adjust the legs to make the stove fit perfecty and level each leg. If you have any questions, drop me a line.

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Re: Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resolute stove?

PostBy: spiker On: Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:08 am

Nice idea on the adjustable legs. Allows you to keep the original legs whole for reselling the stove.

Even with the adjustable legs it looks to me that the Vig II would be too large for my fireplace. I'm guessing the shortest possible stove height is around 29 inch, leaving some air space under the ash tray. I figure I need 2 inches minimum (obviously not code, but I find it is enough with my present stove) between the stove top and upper fireplace opening so that hot air can flow out into the room and avoid overheating the whole setup. At 29.5 inch, I just don't have an opening big enough, oh well.

So that leaves me focused on the Resolute or Vig I. (The Vig I is shorter in height than the VIG II because the ash tray sits inside the stove, rather than underneath) Other than BTU/hr where the Vig I has more horsepower, does anyone know of a reason to choose one over the other?
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Re: Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resolute stove?

PostBy: dlj On: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:47 pm

spiker wrote:Nice idea on the adjustable legs. Allows you to keep the original legs whole for reselling the stove.

Even with the adjustable legs it looks to me that the Vig II would be too large for my fireplace. I'm guessing the shortest possible stove height is around 29 inch, leaving some air space under the ash tray. I figure I need 2 inches minimum (obviously not code, but I find it is enough with my present stove) between the stove top and upper fireplace opening so that hot air can flow out into the room and avoid overheating the whole setup. At 29.5 inch, I just don't have an opening big enough, oh well.

So that leaves me focused on the Resolute or Vig I. (The Vig I is shorter in height than the VIG II because the ash tray sits inside the stove, rather than underneath) Other than BTU/hr where the Vig I has more horsepower, does anyone know of a reason to choose one over the other?


I don't know the Vig I so I can't comment on it. Here's a couple of scanned pages from one of the Vermont publications I've got with my stove. In addition to the two models you've mentioned, there are two other options that Vermont had that may work for you, the Intrepid stove and they also made a fireplace insert. I've never seen either of these but I'm sure they are around.

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Re: Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resolute stove?

PostBy: spiker On: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:16 pm

I'm still focused on the Resolute ultimately, but for now I am talking to someone about purchasing this Salvo Citation wood / coal stove at a good price. I'm excited about the grates as they look like they should be very effective. I will need to make some modifications: shorten legs, move exit from top to back, fix the ash tray, add a front plate to raise the coal bed from 6 to 8 in height. I read a post saying that the shaker linkage had a tendency to shear a pin, so I'll look at that. The seller says that it generated too much heat for his house when he burned wood and he replaced it with something smaller.

Does anyone have any experience with this stove? The name plate does not even identify the exact model. The Salvo company went out of business, so parts are rare and I can find very little about it on the web.
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Re: Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resolute stove?

PostBy: spiker On: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:03 pm

Good news, I bought a Salvo Citation wood / coal stove for the reasonable price of $150. It is not as pretty as the one I posted above, but I can repaint it. It also had the exhaust on the back where I need it, saving me the process of changing it. It has a blower to push air through a heat exchanger area and out the front.

The work I need to do is:

Cut the legs short so it will fit in my fireplace.
Drill out the rivets holding the homemade heat shield on top.
Repaint.
Extend the front plate from 6 in to 8 in for a deeper fire bed.
Install with barometric damper.

Eventually I'll replace the firebrick, but I'd like to see it run first.

I know there is not a lot of experience with this stove on the forum, so I'll have to let everyone know how it goes.
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Re: Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resolute stove?

PostBy: rewinder On: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:50 pm

Looks like a good buy , and an effective looking grate system. the blower is a plus too. there are some stoves I've seen here that look similar in construction and flame path. You should get the hang of this one easily.

Check out (if you haven't already) VigIIpeaburners vids on tending, your's should be similar to his routine.
I'd use nut coal I think. with the blower system you'll put out some massive heat!

If the fan doesn't have a variable speed control, you could add one to control the air flow.

Congrats!

paul
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Re: Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resolute stove?

PostBy: spiker On: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:57 am

I was thinking that I would want a variable speed controller for the blower. I have a friend who could make one up, but have not looked to see if it is a standard item at hardware stores. Is that something I could find in a store?

I searched posts on paint vs stove black and the consensus was paint the steel and polish the cast. I'll go that route. The decorative trim on the front is cast iron.

I bought some Rustoleum high temp black and am hoping this will do. I looked into the Stove Bright paints but did not feel like bothering to special order it.
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Re: Will the coal conversion kit fit any version Resolute stove?

PostBy: coal berner On: Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:56 pm

spiker wrote:I was thinking that I would want a variable speed controller for the blower. I have a friend who could make one up, but have not looked to see if it is a standard item at hardware stores. Is that something I could find in a store?

I searched posts on paint vs stove black and the consensus was paint the steel and polish the cast. I'll go that route. The decorative trim on the front is cast iron.

I bought some Rustoleum high temp black and am hoping this will do. I looked into the Stove Bright paints but did not feel like bothering to special order it.


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