How big do you make a coal bin

Re: How big do you make a coal bin

PostBy: ken On: Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:58 pm

i have to make sure i can get it in there before i build the bin. Richard , i'll have somebody take a pic of the area tomorrow and post it , to see what you think. good idea Greg , i'm looking at maybe 9' , holding the hose and reaching the floor. i'll try 10' to make sure. :idea: i use a little shop vac in the house. cleaning the filter is easy. i go out on the ramp and smack it on the railing. if i have to clean it every 5 or 6 times , i can live with that. :) thank you for the ideas guys , ken
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Re: How big do you make a coal bin

PostBy: ken On: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:45 am

heres the pic. the window is the plywood. guess not , i'll work on it.
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Re: How big do you make a coal bin

PostBy: lincolnmania On: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:04 am

my bin holds a little over two tons.....it will hold more if i board up the front, but keeping this place warm isnt cheap.....i can only afford 1.5-2 tons at a time and in the off season i'm scrambling to get the rest of property tax money together so it's hard to stockpile.....thoughts of going to the culm pile across the street have crossed my mind...that stuff is pretty black hehe
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Re: How big do you make a coal bin

PostBy: ken On: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:43 pm

the plywood under the ramp is the window lol. the ramp is l shaped. it's about 15' from the house to the ramp , going to the drive way. there is very little grade increase.
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Re: How big do you make a coal bin

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:34 pm

If the truck can back up directly from the point you took that picture and utilize the grassy area in your picture that's not an issue at all. That's assuming they have a coal truck and not a simple dump or are shoveling off, even then it shouldn't be a too much of an issue. With a regular coal truck that's a back it up, put a chute flat on the ground raise it up and dump it in deal.

The next concern is the configuration inside, you said you won't have access to the inside? How high is the ceiling and how big a floor space?

Edit: nevermind I see you got 8 foot, assiming there is no walls to contain the coal you can easily get 5 ton load and probably more.
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Re: How big do you make a coal bin

PostBy: ken On: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:11 am

thank you Richard , one problem solved. i'm pretty sure they have a coal truck. i'll find out. the 8' will be coming from the left. theres a stone wall that divides the basement in the center into 2 big rooms. so i only have to come over 8' , out 4' , 7' high. i will run the ply to the joists to act as a back stop as the coal comes in. then on the right end i'll make the gilliuten doors. hopefully one of the boys will come over and we will try the vac idea. i already have a hole cut in the floor in the kitchen with a window fan pumping some heat into the basement. we'll fill a 5 gal bucket and try it out. i only have 8' of extention pipe , 4-2 footers , would like to try 10'. we'll play around with some diff ways.
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Re: How big do you make a coal bin

PostBy: cArNaGe On: Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:29 am

Anyone just dump their coal out on the ground outside?
Get a few ton with a tractor bucket when they need it?
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Re: How big do you make a coal bin

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:36 am

I've had a lot of customers do that. Not an issue, what I would recommend is see if you can pick up some large tarps. Some for the ground, especially if you're getting rice or buck for a stoker. Easy cleanup and you don't have to worry about an debris. you'll also want some for the top to keep the snow and rain out, it will be hassle otherwise because it will freeze. For such a large load rough guesstimate is you will need 6 30x10 tarps.
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Re: How big do you make a coal bin

PostBy: titleist1 On: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:32 pm

cArNaGe wrote:Anyone just dump their coal out on the ground outside?
Get a few ton with a tractor bucket when they need it?


Well its on the ground, not quite outside, but almost. I have an old corrugated steel building that the previous owners parked a school bus in. My wife would like to have had it torn down about 10 years ago! :no1: I have a couple reclaimed sheets of plywood on the ground in there and the coal gets dumped (mostly) on top of it. I bring it in by the 5 gallon bucket. About once a week I restock the basement. The old building keeps out about 80% of the rain and snow. Dampens the coal just enough to keep the dust down! :)
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Re: How big do you make a coal bin

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:55 pm

Richard S. wrote: For such a large load rough guesstimate is you will need 6 30x10 tarps.


By large load i meant tri-axle, 4 for the ground if you want to be on the safe side, maybe even 4 10x25 .
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Re: How big do you make a coal bin

PostBy: av8r On: Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:16 pm

If you look at Yanche's avatar he told me there was about 10 tons of coal in the driveway in that picture. A triaxle would be nearly twice that or more. I think you're right on saying you'd need 40' of tarp. I know Carnage...he'd probably just dump it on the ground. I doubt it would be a big problem. I'm thinking of doing the same thing.
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Re: How big do you make a coal bin

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:27 pm

I'm going by what I've seen in the past, pretty sure it was 10x30 and 7 ton fit on there nicely with plenty of room left. You really don't want it falling off the sides if you can help it. The type of truck is going to make difference too, if you take yanches picture for example with the lift I could probably get another 2 or 3 ton on it without using anymore ground space because I can stack it up as high as 10 - 12 feet. A tri-axle is going to make a higher pile too.
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Re: How big do you make a coal bin

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:39 pm

Greg has a pic with 29 tons of it somewhere.
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Re: How big do you make a coal bin

PostBy: Yanche On: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:02 am

I dump my coal outside on blacktop. The photo below shows 10 tons of pea shortly after it was delivered. I load almost one ton into a off road 4x4 utility dump truck which parks next to my boiler. For the first season I didn't cover it with a tarp, now I do. I didn't like all the dried leaves that would get blown in during the fall. Frozen or wet coal wasn't a problem because it would just dry while parked next to my boiler. For those of you wanting to judge coal volume it's a 8x8 ft garage door.
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Re: How big do you make a coal bin

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:19 am

Now that I look at it I couldn't get any more coal on there, I thought it was flat on the avatar. Of course thats first time I saw large one.
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