S.O.U speech was brilliant

Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:22 pm

jeromemsn wrote:
Poconoeagle wrote:I believe the fiasco began much, much longer ago than 1.5 yrs. severe greed is green..

not red or blue not donkey or elephant just greedy snakes...


You are correct it did start long before 1.5 years ago, a better choice of words would of been came to the attention of the American public. You ever notice that the public only takes notice to things once it gets to there wallets or pocketbook. The public needs to get just a tad more in the loop.
The public likes it when the stock market goes up. The public hates it when the prices go up. I guess the public hasn't realized how they work hand in hand yet. They call it the "loop" for a reason people.
You know another thing thats funny. Some folks on here jest about President Obama being a Commie and the Socialist ways he is heading the country in, well if you think that and you live here just think what the rest of the world thinks and they don't live here.
Maybe the people that keep saying we are going Commie or Socialist are the ones that are keeping China at bay. So hurray to the ones that say we are going commie and Socialist. Because if China ever decides they don't want to buy our paper we be in a world of hurt fast.


The US still has street cred but, it is certainly taking a bruising. We are in no immediate danger of China dumping dollars. There is no place to dump them except oil (which is helping to drive up oil which fuels more speculation from banks and other money managers). We are in no immediate danger of invasion. Loan sharks don't kill their customers, they just break their thumbs, then their arms, legs, etc. Unless the US allows the purchase of US assets by China, we could face trouble with the Chinese economically but not militarily. Nuclear superpowers don't want wars with each other.

The US must get its financial house in order. If we do not, we will lose the petrodollar and reserve currency status and then we totally lose the economy. It would be back to 1929 or worse. This nation has lived for too long on borrowed money. It isn't fair to the rest of the world. The concept of "excelsior" as US history has known it, is quickly becoming a lie to the people that cannot be delivered by the government. We will be facing a reduced living standard, not because we aren't hard working, but because our pay exceeded the value of our work as a result of financial trickery. This is to say that only our hegemony from our vast resources, and the debt of gratitude owed us after WWII, allowed our workers to live a better life than most. Those events were extraordinary and now are leveling out in the global arena.

Our leaders are the ones having difficulty dealing with it. I think the election of Scott Brown shows clearly that the people understand our financial limitations.

Defeat the incumbents of all parties. That's the only way we will get change.
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:16 pm

sterling40man wrote:When he said "We need to stop giving tax breaks to companys that ship jobs overseas", only the Dems stood up and applauded. Can someone tell me why? I don't understand. I think everyone should have stood up and applauded. :?


Because its a crock of *censored*. How about they create an environment to keep jobs here? Making it even more expensive to do business here isn't going to stem the flow of jobs going overseas, it will increase it. Companies don't move jobs overseas because of tax breaks. They move them because of cheaper labor costs, less regulations etc. They have no choice if they want to stay competitive and stay in business.
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:57 pm

Now look fellas I don't know how to do this, but man come on think a bit will ya sheesh. Lets pretend we are on a "boat", boats name is the Miss U.S.A. Ok ya got that? Now this "boat" is going through the water fine it just needs a lot of "gas" and "upkeep" to keep it going. Well the "gas" and "upkeep" Begin's to be more than what the crew can handle in expenses so they decide to let others on board to share the expenses and gas, with me so far? Now this Miss U.S.A "boat"finally gets full of passengers, all the passengers are out of money, but everything has been working and going so well that ports that the "boat" docks at decide to extend credit to the passengers, again this works fine until it's finally just time to pay, IT"S TIME TO PAY, get it. It's been nothing but a ponzie scheme. Once the rudder falls off the boat it has no guidance, you can't maneuver the "boat".
Now, the boat starts to get into disrepair, a hole develops below the water line and it begins to take on water, the Captain in his infinite wisdom decides not to tell the passengers how bad it is so that there is no panic on board. the "boat starts to list to one side with water coming, so the captain just ask the people to nicely and quietly to move to the other side of the vessel while things get fixed, (this is about where we are now). I'll let the rest of you write the finish.
Come on get real even Madoff was caught sheesh. And so will we. We screwed the world and we screwed them good. If we don't find a way to fix this mess, War is going to be at the front door not the back 40. Wake up!
How did Madoff's scheme work, simple just keep getting another investor, sound familiar? (Just keep selling bonds to China)
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:57 pm

He was right on just about everything & spread it around evenly, had some for both parties, the supreme court


He's the least experienced guy in whatever room he walks into, sitting there busting the chops of the US Supreme Court when they cannot respond, and he's wrong about what he said: Floodgates will be open to foreign corporations to contribute money to US political campaigns.


http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2010/ ... urt_ruling
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:06 pm

jeromemsn wrote:..........


There is no way to fix it other than to repudiate the debt and yes, you are correct, wars will follow.
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:29 pm

Jeromesman, you need to read more and get out more. America is to the rest of the world what the New York Yankee's are to much of the U.S. DON"T you get it? Everyone hates success, except their own! I have met and debated with many young people from Europe what they think about America. They have been taught all the things we did wrong and nothing we did right. Forget the 3rd world countries, they don't count anyway. They all hate good old #1. How long we can hang on depends on our returning to conservative ways and supporting our own. Labor has to get realistic, we need to buy resources from the world and make them into something here and sold elsewhere. Simple formula. The problem is everyone in the chain thinks they are the most important and unions cripple the business along with regulations and insurance demands.


Kevin
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: gerard On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:48 pm

samhill wrote:He was right on just about everything & spread it around evenly, had some for both parties, the supreme court & even the military. The problem is as shown already in some of this thread I think its going to be the same old crap, fell on deaf ears.


Talk is cheap, he made all these promises on the campaign trial and broke every one or have you forgotten and forgiven that already??? I liked the content of a FEW of the things he said, but like I said. Talk is cheap. Promising the world is easy and he does that well. So far he gets an A for eloquence and an F for execution. I'll keep an open mind though I admit at this point I'm pretty convinced his real agenda is far left and he will do what he needs to do to placate people to carry out his agenda. And I do think he's a pompous, self aggrandizing academic with no clue how a real economy or business works.
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:17 pm

Just what things has he not done that were within his power & his alone? He came in at a very low time in our history not that I`m throwing any blame around just wondering if you have forgotten & forgiven already. Don`t forget the first tarp had no provisions for payback, it was a gift. We were heading downhill real fast & something had to be done, it may be that he was wrong but its easy be a critic without having anything to say about what would have made an easier way out of this mess. Could have let the savings & loans, banks, ins, firms & auto makers all go under. IMO that wouldn`t have helped much but there again what do I know, its only my opinion.
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:27 pm

So then you feel it is correct to make promises during a campaign and once elected not follow through on them?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:37 pm

KLook wrote:Jeromesman, you need to read more and get out more. America is to the rest of the world what the New York Yankee's are to much of the U.S. DON"T you get it? Everyone hates success, except their own! I have met and debated with many young people from Europe what they think about America. They have been taught all the things we did wrong and nothing we did right. Forget the 3rd world countries, they don't count anyway. They all hate good old #1. How long we can hang on depends on our returning to conservative ways and supporting our own. Labor has to get realistic, we need to buy resources from the world and make them into something here and sold elsewhere. Simple formula. The problem is everyone in the chain thinks they are the most important and unions cripple the business along with regulations and insurance demands.


Kevin


We are nothing to the rest of the world except the nuts that will buy anything on credit. Don't believe me stop buying on credit and watch what happens. the last time I used credit was.....was.....I'll have to look that up it's been so long. we are not successful, the only thing we have is a credit rating system that tells lies. If it told the truth then nobody would have credit, since 20 percent of the people are out of work, everybody is late on there payments, no body can keep there home or car fixed. Come on get real, walk down the street and talk to your neighbors, there in debt up to the top of there head, late on everything, and hopping that they don't have to go to the hospital, now that sure sounds like success to me. Sounds like 3rd world with an I.O.U.
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:40 pm

I`m not saying I feel its right, just asking how much of it was within his power. Its easy to promise things only to find out your not going to be able to change things without the help you expected. How many before him kept all their promises? I know that will be a hard one to count. How many had the minority party openly state that they would do nothing for this Pres.? If there was half the energy thats being devoted to hindering put into helping (& I`m talking both sides) this country would be in much better shape. Just maybe some of our so-called elected representives wouldn`t be quite so well off but they would be doing what they were elected to do.
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:50 pm

If there was half the energy thats being devoted to hindering put into helping (& I`m talking both sides) this country would be in much better shape. Just maybe some of our so-called elected representives wouldn`t be quite so well off but they would be doing what they were elected to do.


Agreed.

Don't believe me stop buying on credit and watch what happens.


I have a mortgage, that's it. I have no credit cards, cancelled them all (still paying them off, though). I have a debit card, that's it. If I don't have the money, I don't buy it. I should have done it long ago. The borrower is slave to the lender.
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:52 pm

I hate to sound like a broken record, but when you are the president and you have control of the house and senate, you don't need the cooperation of the other party. He couldn't control his own party. The link below is to a blog by a very liberal college prof. on how obama squandered the presidency in one year. It's a little long but worth the read.


http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/01/22-7
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:00 pm

If there are mostly seasoned members (there always are) do you really think they are going to help change, they spent most of their careers trying to get the graft just the way they like it.
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: gerard On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:02 pm

samhill wrote:I`m not saying I feel its right, just asking how much of it was within his power. Its easy to promise things only to find out your not going to be able to change things without the help you expected. How many before him kept all their promises? I know that will be a hard one to count. How many had the minority party openly state that they would do nothing for this Pres.? If there was half the energy thats being devoted to hindering put into helping (& I`m talking both sides) this country would be in much better shape. Just maybe some of our so-called elected representives wouldn`t be quite so well off but they would be doing what they were elected to do.

Lets see, how about focusing all his energy on something we haven't had since inception, a thing that doesn't affect the majority of the population, and doing this to the exclusion of all else? I don't think anyone feels health care doesn't need improvement but great healthcare wouldn't be my first priority if I were on the deck of the titanic. I'd probably first worry about finding a lifeboat. As coalkirk said, he controlled both houses and now we see what he did with it. Tried to ramroad through a bunch of crap, excluded bipartisanship, didn't listen to his employer (us), and got his ass handed to him as a result in mass. I don't know any past president since I was old enough to follow these things who's fumbled things as badly as him (well maybe Jimmy Carter. Nice guy, poor president).

What good is healthcare if you don't have a job? FIRST things FIRST, AND don't forget the wingnuts that still want to blow stuff up. You want to talk about how bad he's screwed that pooch? Treating terrorsits as common criminals with all the itinerant rights. Are you kidding????????????
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