S.O.U speech was brilliant

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PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:05 pm

No I don't And neither would have obama if he was qualified for the office. Going to college, spending time as a community agitator and then 20 minutes in the senate don't qualify you to be potus. He thinks the two party system is "I" and "me."
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: gerard On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:14 pm

Samhill - I also reject most of your arguments.
1. He's the only president I'm concerned with at the moment.
2. Part of being president is NOT being devisive and getting both sides to work together ie being a moderate who governs from the center. NEITHER side has total power nor should they.
3. All the excuses or explanations in the world are really irrelevant. Either he's effective or not, he's exposed to the same types of circumstances many past presidents have faced and many have faced worse conditions. (ww1, ww2, the great depression, vietnam, the korean war, the cold war, the cuban missile crisis etc etc) I never said it was an easy job but he took it voluntarily so he doesn't get to whine about how hard it is. He was actually faced with a pretty benign problem, an economic slowdown. Big deal, instill confidence in the business community and things will slowly resolve themselves. Economics cycle all the time, sometimes the swings are bigger.
4. A presidents 1ST priority should always be protect the country from harm. That can never get put on the back burner. It's a constitutional mandate. His second commandment should be like a doctor - Do no harm.
5. Stop trying to kill the golden goose. The banks and business are NOT the enemy. They are the machine that allows this country to enjoy the prosperity we do. They should not be demonized. They are the foundation of our way of life. Do something better than the next guy and you make a lot of money. You want t0 curb some excess? Why isn't he taking A Rod or Derek Jeter? They make obscene amounts of money too. Sorry, I digress.
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:35 pm

maybe he should have started by showing his cardboard box, in the hall closet in his house, and that picture of him pulling out his frikin birth certificate instead of a pompous , bullcrap, deniel,counterlawsuit, lie,coverup,cheating,................

the lip reading was correct......... get it??? liar...... hes a LIAR , now the big boys are saying it...

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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: gerard On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:42 pm

Hey poconoeagle - you related to my father? Maybe you're a long lost uncle or something. Your tag line sounds like something he always told me when I was growing up!
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PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:47 pm

gerard wrote:Hey poconoeagle - you related to my father? Maybe you're a long lost uncle or something. Your tag line sounds like something he always told me when I was growing up!

ha!
mine did too...

it was my mantra for fixing cars that I tried to instill in my guy's.!
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:27 pm

If banks & big business are so great how did we get into this mess, & don`t just start on the too much money thing, money is what the banks & businesses wanted. The problem is there are a lot of people running everything that have so much that money is no longer the issue, its the greed of all things the one with the most toys wins. Once you have more than you can spend you can either use it for good or evil. You want banks & big business to be able to do whatever they want thats fine but do you think they have any concern what ever for anybody else or the country, they can buy their own country. Case in point.
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:20 am

samhill wrote:If banks & big business are so great how did we get into this mess,


You need to separate the two, as far as business goes this is a global economy. If you want to stay in business you need to compete, Jerry from LL provided an excellent example when he owned the company. It's been a while since that post but the gist of it was he was approached by a Chinese company who offered to ship his product here in a box ready for sale for less than what it was costing him to make them. Now we know Jerry didn't take that offer but he's also in position to do that because it's a niche product on the grand scale of things. However that could change... what does LL do if another company takes that offer and starts undercutting them or some Chinese company comes in and starts marketing their own product. And before anyone suggests the product quality will suffer that's BS, Chinese manufacturers make cheap junk because that is what the American consumer wants. They most certainly can produce one of these stoves at the same quality for a lower cost.

As far as the banks go there is plenty of blame to go around there.

The bottom line is this, our government is failing, period. When one party controls Congress and the WH and can't get legislation passed the seriousness of how deep this problem is quite evident. It's time they stop pandering to special interests and start working for the normal sane people who make up the majority of people in this country. Look at it this way... I don't think you would find too many people in this country that would fight a bill that will destroy the monopolies health insurance companies hold. So what are they waiting for?
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: gerard On: Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:03 am

samhill wrote:If banks & big business are so great how did we get into this mess, rest deleted


1. The banks did exactly what congress (Fair housing act, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Bill Clinton et al), mandated them to. Fannie and Freddie created the market for junk mortgages so standards were relaxed so people were allowed to buy more house than they could afford. Banks on their won, would NOT have allowed these mortgages to happen, because they were junk, would have been unsaleable, and would have been bad business. The housing bubble can be laid at the feet of the federal government, the banks were just a tool. (I used to write mortgages before you could get interest only loans, no documentation loans, etc. It all works great if housing continues to rise, which of course can't happen forever)
2. Medical monopoly - I agree the medical industry needs tweaking but blaming the insurance companies and medical companies is too simplistic. If they're all making these gobs of money everyone seems to think they are, why aren't there stock prices soaring?? You should just be able to by some baskets of medical stocks and health ins companies, sit back and watch the money roll in. It's not happening. Try and be an insurance company collecting $15,000 per year in premiums per person. Now have a few people need a heart transplant ($350,000), some prolonged cancer treatment ($$$$$$??????). etc etc. Medical technology has advanced so we can do all these things but they cost $ and a big part of that is the malpractice insurance costs. Tort reform HAS to be a part of the solution and the dem plan totally ignored it.

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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:59 am

I get a kick out of how some on here are soo one sided & IMO thats a big part of the problem with the whole country. You have to look back as well as try to look ahead, what needs to be done is to continually get as much new blood into politics as possible in both parties. This was not caused by a handful of Dems of one Pres. & as long as most have that far right or left mentality we are in deep do-do. IMO & I`m not afraid to call it like I see it, there is almost nothing but corupt graft & greed in our political system & its that system itself that is hurting us. It was designed for public service to be a patriotic temp. service for the betterment of the country & citizens but has been turned into lifelong & family occupations. Anti-trust laws,anti-monopoly laws, gun laws & basically most laws are ignored depending on who is breaking them. We as voters are all at fault but as people we no longer take responsability for our actions we have allowed ourselves to become a nation of instant gradification. Don`t want to wait for anything & alot don`t want to work, we complain about the Chinese crap but still buy it & if there was a sudden trend to buy whats left of American made the American Co. would gouge us. We won`t spend an extra buck for an American made whatever but because of advertizing We`ll buy our kids high priced foreign made gym shoes (remember when they were called that). My Ins. Co. UPMC is also a hospital near monopoly I would think thats a conflic of interests. Yesterday I wanted a new belt for my pick-up, I bought Goodyear (I`m afraid to look if it wasn`t made in the U.S.) $42.50 for a belt, could of bought one in walley world for half that. Thats enough venting for now, sorry if I offended anyone.
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: brckwlt On: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:03 am

samhill wrote:Yesterday I wanted a new belt for my pick-up, I bought Goodyear (I`m afraid to look if it wasn`t made in the U.S.) $42.50 for a belt, could of bought one in walley world for half that. Thats enough venting for now, sorry if I offended anyone.


We dont all have the money to spend double what something costs at walmart. Must be NICE! :shock:
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:11 am

Jus trying to get something that will last, don`t have the extra funds either but if this one lasts it will be cheaper than replaceing the wal-mart crap every year. I might have got taken on the price also but in a small store with a choice of two I went with what she told me was the best. When your in a town the size of Linesville, Pa. there isn`t much of a choice for anything next auto parts store is about 20 miles away.
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:18 am

SMITTY wrote:I completely spaced on the address. Was busy researching motorcycle parts. Probably just as well. Watching him speak raises my blood pressure .. :crazy:

Kool-Aid? No ... your gonna need something a bit stronger ...


Smitty, the Smithsonian just called, they want your liver...
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PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:26 pm

Please- it was a wonderful inspirational speech. I stood up every time Nancy did and it was a great aerobic workout. Our messiah knows best and thank God he knows that the AGW question is completely settled. Now he can initiate a splendid energy tax and we can all know immense suffering on behalf of the collective. Good for him for scolding the Supreme Court and good for him for making the Joint Chiefs of Staff sit there like naughty schoolchildren.
Didn't you hear him say we're going to DOUBLE our exports in five years??? YAYYY everything's gonna be great!!! Now let me see, what's still made here that the rest of the world wants? I know, we could mass produce rice bowls for the Chinese!
I can't wait to ride the new bullet train from Tampa to Orlando!!! I'll take my electric car down to Tampa, only having to recharge it 50 times, park in an expensive crowded lot, pay for an expensive ticket, sit with strangers and not even have to take my shoes off! And the whole twenty minutes I save can be spent contemplating the Constitutional Rights of foreign combatants! Oh joy.
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:57 pm

samhill wrote:Jus trying to get something that will last, don`t have the extra funds either but if this one lasts it will be cheaper than replaceing the wal-mart crap every year.


That's what people do, they walk into a lawn mower store and see a Snapper, Ariens or any other well made lawnmower for $400 or $500 and they turn around and go to Wal Mart and get the one for $100. Long term you're better off with the $400 or $500 model put people don't think in those terms and some of them don't even understand there is a difference.
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Re: S.O.U speech was brilliant

PostBy: brckwlt On: Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:08 pm

Richard S. wrote:
samhill wrote:Jus trying to get something that will last, don`t have the extra funds either but if this one lasts it will be cheaper than replaceing the wal-mart crap every year.


That's what people do, they walk into a lawn mower store and see a Snapper, Ariens or any other well made lawnmower for $400 or $500 and they turn around and go to Wal Mart and get the one for $100. Long term you're better off with the $400 or $500 model put people don't think in those terms and some of them don't even understand there is a difference.


I would say a lot of us including me dont have the 400 or 500 to buy the better made lawn mower, thasts why we go to walmart and buy the 100 lawn mower we can afford. I know the more expensive one is the better choice in the long run but when you dont have the money for it what else can you do except buy the one you can afford?
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