American Heros

American Heros

PostBy: cokehead On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:06 pm

Herbert Kaili Pililaau (2nd Infantry)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_K._Pililaau

"Private First Class Herbert K. Pililaau of Company C, 1st Battalion, 23d Infantry, was clinging to a small stretch of Heartbreak's ridge top on the night of September 17 when a battalion of North Koreans came charging out of the darkness from an adjacent hill. The company fought valiantly, but a shortage of ammunition soon compelled it to retreat down the mountain. After receiving reinforcements and a new issue of ammunition, the Americans advanced back up the ridge. North Korean fire broke the first assault, but Company C soon regrouped and advanced again, recapturing the crest by dawn. But by midday the men of Company C were once again fighting for their lives as the North Korean battalion surged back up the hill. Running low on ammunition, the company commander called retreat. Pililaau volunteered to remain behind to cover the withdrawal. Pililaau wielded his Browning automatic rifle with great effect until he too had run out of ammunition. He then started throwing grenades, and when those were exhausted, he pulled out his trench knife and fought on until a group of North Korean soldiers shot and bayoneted him while his comrades looked on helplessly from a sheltered position 200 yards (180 m) down the slope. Determined to avenge his death, the men of Company C swept back up the mountain. When they recaptured the position, they found over forty dead North Koreans clustered around Pililaau's corpse.

Pililaau's sacrifice had saved his comrades, and he was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor" Quoted from this Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Heartbreak_Ridge
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Re: American Heros

PostBy: cokehead On: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:25 pm

Alvin Cullum York (82nd Infantry)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_C._York

York recalled:

“ And those machine guns were spitting fire and cutting down the undergrowth all around me something awful. And the Germans were yelling orders. You never heard such a racket in all of your life. I didn't have time to dodge behind a tree or dive into the brush… As soon as the machine guns opened fire on me, I began to exchange shots with them. There were over thirty of them in continuous action, and all I could do was touch the Germans off just as fast as I could. I was sharp shooting… All the time I kept yelling at them to come down. I didn't want to kill any more than I had to. But it was they or I. And I was giving them the best I had.[10] „

The quote above is from the Wikipedia article refered to above.
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Re: American Heros

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:47 pm

I heard MacArthur wanted to go to all out war with the Chinese during the Korean conflict. He would have used nukes too, I gather. I heard Truman removed him, due to his immense popularity and that he was a political threat to Truman! If only MacArthur could handle our military affairs today, I bet Chavez, Imadinnerjacket, and terrorism would back off big time.
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Re: American Heros

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:58 pm

Dann757 wrote:I heard MacArthur wanted to go to all out war with the Chinese during the Korean conflict. He would have used nukes too, I gather. I heard Truman removed him, due to his immense popularity and that he was a political threat to Truman!

He did want to take out the Chinese. He was fired because he was told to keep his mouth shut and didn't.
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Re: American Heros

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:30 pm

coaledsweat wrote:
Dann757 wrote:I heard MacArthur wanted to go to all out war with the Chinese during the Korean conflict. He would have used nukes too, I gather. I heard Truman removed him, due to his immense popularity and that he was a political threat to Truman!

He did want to take out the Chinese. He was fired because he was told to keep his mouth shut and didn't.


What he proposed was to bomb the Yalu river bridges and if necessary to set up a radioactive zone using atomic artillery so the Chinese could not cross.

During WW 1 he won so many decorations for bravery and heroism, it became embarrassing.

On Bataan he constantly exposed himself to enemy fire to keep up morale.

No general could match his record for deceiving the enemy and winning battles with the fewest casualties.

His occupation of Japan is remembered with gratitude by the Japanese.

The Inchon landing in Korea was a very iffy thing opposed by most of the high command. It resulted in the destruction of the North Korean Army.

Truman lost his nerve and we now face a nuclear armed North Korea.

Carter lost his nerve and we now face a potential nuclear armed Iran.
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Re: American Heros

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:05 pm

Carter had some nerve???? Where?

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Re: American Heros

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:24 pm

franco b wrote:Truman lost his nerve and we now face a nuclear armed North Korea.

Carter lost his nerve and we now face a potential nuclear armed Iran.

Baloney, Truman thought he was a great general (which we all know he was), that is why he put him in Korea. He could not keep his mouth shut, that is why he was fired. With your logic, why not blame Truman and Eisenhower for the Russians getting Nukes? Didn't Patton want to take them on too? To blame Truman for a nuclear armed North Korea is nonsense. If you want to blame someone, try the people that gave them the technology, Pakistan let their secrets slip out.
I agree with the Carter comment 100%.
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Re: American Heros

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:28 pm

KLook wrote:Carter had some nerve???? Where?

Kevin


Well he did command a nuclear submarine so he must have had some at one time.
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Re: American Heros

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:38 pm

Unless he was involved in the hunt for Red October, it was probably pretty mundane. My business partner was a submariner and it was just as uneventful as surface duty. As the commander, he was virtually a dictator. You don't need nerve, just an opinion. No doubt, an intelligent and organized guy that could follow orders. But nerve is another thing.

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Re: American Heros

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:16 pm

coaledsweat wrote:To blame Truman for a nuclear armed North Korea is nonsense.


Your statement is true, but it is not what I said. I stated, "Truman lost his nerve and we are now faced with a nuclear armed North Korea". If MacArthur had had his way there would have probably been no North Korea. I blamed Truman for not listening to our greatest General. He was fired for airing his views in the press. Truman did not appoint him to Korea, he was already the area commander.

The Korean war probably would not have occurred if Truman had not stated through his Sec. of State Dean Acheson that Korea was outside of our area of concern.
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Re: American Heros

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:03 pm

franco b wrote:I blamed Truman for not listening to our greatest General. He was fired for airing his views in the press.

The Korean war probably would not have occurred if Truman had not stated through his Sec. of State Dean Acheson that Korea was outside of our area of concern.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Truman was Commander in Chief at the time, not the other way around. I'm sure he listened to plenty of Mac's advice and chose not to take some of it, that's what bosses do. He was told to stop airing his personal views to the press. He couldn't do it. He was fired because of it. Am I wrong?

The Korean war would not have occurred if Truman what? It started when the north invaded the south, no other reason. And we didn't get involved because we had an "area of concern". We got into it because as a UN member nation we were obligated as it was a UN action, not a US one.
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Re: American Heros

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:17 pm

coaledsweat wrote:The Korean war would not have occurred if Truman what? It started when the north invaded the south, no other reason. And we didn't get involved because we had an "area of concern". We got into it because as a UN member nation we were obligated as it was a UN action, not a US one.


No argument as to the reason or right of President Truman to fire MacArthur.

The war started because North Korea thought the U.S. would not get involved because of that statement by the U.S. that Korea was not an area of concern. Do you really think that the U.S. would go to war at the instigation of the UN? It was the other way around. The U.S.got UN support. The tail doesn't wag the dog.
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Re: American Heros

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:36 pm

franco b wrote:The war started because North Korea thought the U.S. would not get involved because of that statement by the U.S. that Korea was not an area of concern. Do you really think that the U.S. would go to war at the instigation of the UN? It was the other way around. The U.S.got UN support. The tail doesn't wag the dog.

It doesn't matter what they thought the US was going to do. They invaded another country, that is what started the war. Not anything Truman said or did, nor the price of tea in China or any other reason but the invasion of their neighbor was the cause of the war. Tails don't bite.
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Re: American Heros

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:02 am

coaledsweat wrote:It doesn't matter what they thought the US was going to do. They invaded another country, that is what started the war. Not anything Truman said or did, nor the price of tea in China or any other reason but the invasion of their neighbor was the cause of the war. Tails don't bite.


I agree. My point was that like ww 2 it could have been prevented by timely and forceful diplomacy and action long before things got to a boil instead of playing at it. Ask the 50,000 dead who died in vain, some of whom were my classmates
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Re: American Heros

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:24 am

franco b wrote:I agree. My point was that like ww 2 it could have been prevented by timely and forceful diplomacy and action long before things got to a boil instead of playing at it. Ask the 50,000 dead who died in vain, some of whom were my classmates

I'll go along with that but the trouble is mankind in general has never been very good at that. If it was, we wouldn't have many heroes to put in this thread and we have plenty. :cry:
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