Stove Temp

Chuck_Steak wrote:

lowfog01 wrote:
Where does the air come from that goes through your Baro?

The baro pulls cooler air from your room allowing you to keep more of the heated air in your stove. Good luck, Lisa

I was sort of being a smart a##, Lisa...
I knew what you were getting at.
That said, I don't think the benefits are "quite" as big as is usually mentioned."

Well, I don't appreciate it. If what you say is true then you are not being a smart ## you are being a jerk. When I take my time to answer an individual's question I do so in order to help them keep their family and house warm as well as save them money in the long run if I can. I don't appreciate being played with or taken as a fool. If you disagree say so that's your right but don't come back and tell me you knew the answer all along and were just being a smart a##. There is nothing smart about that. It's stupid and inconsiderate. Lisa

lowfog01 wrote:

Well, I don't appreciate it. If what you say is true then you are not being a smart ## you are being a jerk. When I take my time to answer an individual's question I do so in order to help them keep their family and house warm as well as save them money in the long run if I can. I don't appreciate being played with or taken as a fool. If you disagree say so that's your right but don't come back and tell me you knew the answer all along and were just being a smart a##. There is nothing smart about that. It's stupid and inconsiderate. Lisa

Well, Lisa, if it took all that long to type out that one sentence in response to my one sentence,
I apologize for wasting your time.
But at least I didn't call anyone names, I was merely trying to stimilate some thought.
Often times we take everything we read over and over as being fact,
without challenging ourselves to ask "why".
Without doing any math, so to speak.

I wasn't taking you for a fool at all.
When I asked about where does the air come from, I was refering to the air
that replaces the air from your room that goes into your baro....
I think you misunderstood the whole post/question.
Have a good night.

I ran two Francos for years. They are good little stoves, but
their BTUs are limited and they can be ruined by over firing.
I used a baro and the stack temperature was always very low.
I could bare hand the stack even with a good burn going.

Tom

the snowman wrote:pc12-47E:

I see your running a Jotul 507. Is that the one Freddy had? At 359 F the Jotul is hardly working. If you really want to be impressed by the Jotul, push the stove up to a temp of 700 F. The green Jotul has been burning continuously for the past 12 months. They are a great stove!

The snowman.

Hi snowman, The Jotul 507 is a great anthracite stove!! Yes, the green one came from Freddy. I could not pass up the price he gave me. My first coal stove in 1984 was a new red Jotul 507 .... I would love to have that stove now but I gave it to a friend when I moved.
As to the temp of the 507, I had my red 507 so hot that the magnetic thermometer fell of the loading door. When you run the red jotuls at very high temps they turn to a very dark red or maroon color.

I would like to have the green stove re-porcelained to the red color but I can't find a place that does this in New Engalnd.

lowfog01 wrote:

Chuck_Steak wrote: I was sort of being a smart a##, Lisa...
I knew what you were getting at.
That said, I don't think the benefits are "quite" as big as is usually mentioned."

Well, I don't appreciate it. If what you say is true then you are not being a smart ## you are being a jerk. It's stupid and inconsiderate. Lisa

Lisa, for all of us that have burned anthracite for our winter heat, with "AND WITHOUT" a barometric damper, we know how much more heat the stoves puts out with the baro and using the same air flow setting.
We also know that the stove burns less coal at the same time.
With a draft gauge (manometer) my baro is set at -.05 to -.06 WC. At the moment if I close the baro the gauge jumps up to -1.2 WC. But do you really think the stove will burn the same with twice as much flue draft?

Glenn Beck's new book covers the Baro subject very well.

PC 12

tsb wrote:I ran two Francos for years. They are good little stoves, but
their BTUs are limited and they can be ruined by over firing.
I used a baro and the stack temperature was always very low.
I could bare hand the stack even with a good burn going.

Tom

OK so what Temp would be considered over fired?

I used a magnetic thermometer and never let it
get above 450. The castings on those stoves are
super thin. I got cracks on the main body and the
exhaust chambers. I had to retire both after about
10-12 years of use.

Chuck-steak, you are correct that a baro does not improve draft.. And you are correct that a baro is not a cure-all for every ill that a coal stove can have..

However, about 90% of the 'not enough heat', or the 'doesn't burn long enough' and the 'I can't control the temperature' issues are solved by installing a baro.

One of the problems about believing in the effectivenss of a baro damper is that many or most of us used to burn wood, and you don't see the same issues with burning wood, so most of us just used to think that a baro is bunk. But for coal burning, a baro really is often the answer to many of the problems.

There are just too many success stories on the forum to even think about throwing the 'BS Flag' on the recomendations for a baro.

Even the instalations with marginal draft most of the time, can sometimes have excessive draft with just the right weather conditions. And an installation with marginal draft, will probably run with the combustion air controls quite wide open to get enough heat out of the fire.. but with an increase in draft due to just the right weather conditions, then you have an overheating stove. So even with a poorly drafting chimney, the baro is a good idea.

So while a Baro damper may not be a 'silver bullet' for every ill, it is at least a reliable 'bullet' to fix many ills, and provide insurance for other potential ills.

Greg L

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LsFarm wrote: There are just too many success stories on the forum to even think about throwing the 'BS Flag' on the recomendations for a baro.

I could not agree more. I never said different....
I have a mano, and a baro.
Funny how if we just suggest to think about something, rather than just accept it, some would brand you an idiot..
"Who is more foolish? The fool, or the fool that follows him?" -Obi-Wan Kenobi.

I just wanted to point out, that a baro damper does indeed take heated air from your room,
that needs to be replaced with outside cold air.
That you have to heat.
It isn't "free".
I also mentioned that if you have a really strong draft, or an unruly one, that you should benefit from one.

So while a Baro damper may not be a 'silver bullet' for every ill, it is at least a reliable 'bullet' to fix many ills, and provide insurance for other potential ills.
Greg L

I agree.
I'm just not sure how it ever was considered I was ragging on them, or anyone.
It is NOT a cure all for everything.
It IS a cure for certain ills.
If someone wants to disagree with that line of thinking, and I'm an idiot for thinking that,
then I can't help that.

Chuck_Steak wrote:[Well, Lisa, if it took all that long to type out that one sentence in response to my one sentence,
I apologize for wasting your time.
But at least I didn't call anyone names, I was merely trying to stimilate some thought.
Often times we take everything we read over and over as being fact,
without challenging ourselves to ask "why".
Without doing any math, so to speak.

I wasn't taking you for a fool at all.
When I asked about where does the air come from, I was refering to the air
that replaces the air from your room that goes into your baro....
I think you misunderstood the whole post/question.
Have a good night.

No, you were misrepresenting yourself to be some one who had a legimate question. When faced with that, not knowing your background, I'm going to answer that question to the best of my ability. That's what we do on the forum. To me what you did was being a jerk and you yourself called yourself a smart as#. I merely agreed. There are ways to simulate discussion and pretending to be someone who doesn't understand something isn't one of them. I guess you don't understand that. Lisa

PC 12-47E wrote:[

Lisa, for all of us that have burned anthracite for our winter heat, with "AND WITHOUT" a barometric damper, we know how much more heat the stoves puts out with the baro and using the same air flow setting.
We also know that the stove burns less coal at the same time.
With a draft gauge (manometer) my baro is set at -.05 to -.06 WC. At the moment if I close the baro the gauge jumps up to -1.2 WC. But do you really think the stove will burn the same with twice as much flue draft?

Glenn Beck's new book covers the Baro subject very well.

PC 12

It's so nice of you to point out your level of expertise with burning coal. This entire conversation could have been avoided if Chuck Steak had done the same. First off, let me point out that not everyone knows “how much more heat the stove puts out with the baro and using the same air flow setting" or that "We also know that the stove burns less coal at the same time." A case in point would be Chuck Steak since he felt the need to stimulate a converstation about Baros.

For your information I was burning coal for several years before I was blessed with that knowledge and I feel sure that many of the newbies don't have a clue yet. That's why in my original post I said he "may want to consider getting one." It's also why I took the time to find a previous post in the archives that better answered the question. What I didn't know when I posted to this was that "Chuck Steak" is apparently an experience coal burner, too. He chose not to share that information in what he calls an effort to stimulate conversation; as if anyone on this forum needs a reason to stimulate conversation. That fact that he doesn't feel this omission was an error says a lot.

If you want to open a conversation about Glenn Beck's book please do so on the appropriate forum page. If you are just trying to tick me off, it won't so don't bother. Lisa

lowfog01 wrote:
No, you were misrepresenting yourself to be some one who had a legimate question. When faced with that, not knowing your background, I'm going to answer that question to the best of my ability. That's what we do on the forum. To me what you did was being a jerk and you yourself called yourself a smart as#. I merely agreed. There are ways to simulate discussion and pretending to be someone who doesn't understand something isn't one of them. I guess you don't understand that. Lisa

Well Lisa, it appears that I won't be getting a Christmas card from you this year.
The fact that YOU interperted it that way, does not mean that was the way it was submitted..
I have read a lot of your posts before getting on this board, and I think you are a pretty experienced
person that does try to help people, and you are passionate about burning coal.
Had you read any of the few posts that I've done in the last couple of weeks since I have been here,
you would have seen that I try to do the same. Including putting pictures up to try and help someone
with their Mano. Or trying to save people money on buying coal.
Had you looked at any of them, before calling me a jerk, you may have noticed that.

I'm sorry that you took something so simple, as a slam. That was never the intent.
I'm sure you have never done anything or written anything that was misinterperted by another.
You are extremely lucky..

pc 12:

I hear what your saying about the red jotul, I have two green stoves and a red one. I am currently only using one green and the red one. The other green jotul is in the process of being rebuilt. The red one does turn a nice deep color the hotter you run it. visitors always remark about the color difference in the stove. The cooler areas of the stove are a nice red and the much hotter areas are a nice deep maroon. It is Definitely a very cool color. I do not know of any place that will enamel the stove for you. I did see a post on here for a company that makes enameled stove pipe. I had looked at the website and they did offer a red enameled stove pipe. Maybe they would enamel your stove, however, I am sure it would cost a pretty penny to do so. The Jotul is a very efficient burning stove that does not require poking or slicing for the grate system eliminates all of the ash without any build up. I am sure the round burn pot contributes to the efficiency of the ash removal and burning qualities of the stove. I would not mind trying a coal chubby and compare it to the Jotul. Maybe next year I will pull the green stove and pick up a chubby to put in its place just to see how different it would heat and burn. Have you ever considered calling your friend up that you gave the red Jotul to and asking for it back? I love to hear stories of those burning the Jotul stove, so if you have any stories . . . . .

The snowman.

Back to the topic:

Rule 1) All air for your stove comes from outside air.

2) The air is split between two paths.

3) Some air goes through the coal bed regulated by the

the way the below the grate draft is set.

4) Excess air is diverted around the the coal bed and goes

through the "baro damper".

5) This keeps the over the fire draft constant for a steady

and efficient burn.

6) Result: is that all air going up the chimney is room air

which has been heated.



BigBarney

Chuck_Steak wrote:

lowfog01 wrote:

Well, I don't appreciate it. If what you say is true then you are not being a smart ## you are being a jerk. When I take my time to answer an individual's question I do so in order to help them keep their family and house warm as well as save them money in the long run if I can. I don't appreciate being played with or taken as a fool. If you disagree say so that's your right but don't come back and tell me you knew the answer all along and were just being a smart a##. There is nothing smart about that. It's stupid and inconsiderate. Lisa

Well, Lisa, if it took all that long to type out that one sentence in response to my one sentence,
I apologize for wasting your time.
But at least I didn't call anyone names, I was merely trying to stimilate some thought.
Often times we take everything we read over and over as being fact,
without challenging ourselves to ask "why".
Without doing any math, so to speak.

I wasn't taking you for a fool at all.
When I asked about where does the air come from, I was refering to the air
that replaces the air from your room that goes into your baro....
I think you misunderstood the whole post/question.
Have a good night.

Chuck_Steak wrote: Often times we take everything we read over and over as being fact,

Just wondering if you ever read the Harman stove manual being you are burning one of there products
If you did you would see that they Recommend using a baro on their stoves and Not a MPD
Wonder why they recommend one could it be they know more about burning coal in there own product then anyone on this fourm. I believe listening to the Manufacturer advice of there own product is very important being they are the ones that know more about How to & What to use on their product to burn coal in their stove's then anyone else.

Who knew kriptonite was volitile?? Those non baro coal burners might also drive hummers?

fill er up joe, put it on the card.. burning coal I have money to burn....

point is tho this question and answer venue burns much more consistant and dependable

if we keep the jets cool.....