coaledsweat wrote:With the same logic, what US foreign policy failure led to Hitler's invasion of Poland?
Treaty of Versailles.
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Re: Obama on youTube
By: jpete On: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:41 pm
Treaty of Versailles.
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Re: Obama on youTube
By: gerard On: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:39 pm
jeffs opinion epitomizes the most disruptive and dangerous of human traits - the ability to rationalize. Child molesters and crminals use this ability all the time to justify their actions. (and no Jeff, I'm calling you neither a child molester nor a criminal, just giving a more extreme example of people who rationalize to justify an agenda)
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Re: Obama on youTube
By: KLook On: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:51 pm
Speak softly and carry a big stick, or gun, or nuke. Whatever you do, you need the stick to go with the carrot. Words are weakness to much of the worlds cultures.
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Re: Obama on youTube
By: Black_And_Blue On: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:10 pm
Please enjoy the music, ladies and children first......
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Re: Obama on youTube
By: jpete On: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:52 pm
gerard wrote:jeffs opinion epitomizes the most disruptive and dangerous of human traits - the ability to rationalize. Child molesters and crminals use this ability all the time to justify their actions. (and no Jeff, I'm calling you neither a child molester nor a criminal, just giving a more extreme example of people who rationalize to justify an agenda)
The ability to read history?
My agenda is abiding by the Constitution. What's yours?
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Re: Obama on youTube
By: jpete On: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:55 pm
http://mises.org/daily/4078
What determines what is proper and improper for governments to do are, in essence, the same principles which differentiate the proper from the improper actions of the individual. Despite the lofty pretensions of most governments, the fact remains that they, like any other group of men, are nothing more than a collection of individuals. The "rights of a government," like the rights of any other association of men, can be morally no different than the rights of the men who comprise it. All that which is immoral for men acting individually is equally immoral for men acting in association. There is nothing a government can morally do, which individuals by themselves cannot morally do. The group is ethically no different from the individual.
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Re: Obama on youTube
By: smokeyCityTeacher On: Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:44 am
jpete wrote:War is the failure of foreign policy.
If your (Berlin) theory is correct, then the proper course of action is to nuke any country that doesn't agree with us.
Correction - appeasement is the failure of foreign policy.
Just ask Neville Chamberlain or read history.
You can't do diplomacy with a start raving radicalized foaming at the mouth nest of hornets who have sworn to kill you and will gladly blow them selves up to do it.
THERE IS NO NEGOTIATING OR DIPLOMACY FOR/WITH ISALMOFASCIM
Coal is producing 50% of our energy without dependence on foreign oil and creating millions of jobs....
Let's tell our government that we don't want this industry bankrupted!
...Instead, how about we spend a few billion researching technology to burn it even cleaner!
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Let's tell our government that we don't want this industry bankrupted!
...Instead, how about we spend a few billion researching technology to burn it even cleaner!
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Re: Obama on youTube
By: jpete On: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:21 am
smokeyCityTeacher wrote:jpete wrote:War is the failure of foreign policy.
If your (Berlin) theory is correct, then the proper course of action is to nuke any country that doesn't agree with us.
Correction - appeasement is the failure of foreign policy.
Just ask Neville Chamberlain or read history.
You can't do diplomacy with a start raving radicalized foaming at the mouth nest of hornets who have sworn to kill you and will gladly blow them selves up to do it.
THERE IS NO NEGOTIATING OR DIPLOMACY FOR/WITH ISALMOFASCIM
I have read history. There might not have been a Hitler if not for the Treaty of Versailles.
But you keep regurgitating that nationalist tripe. You'd have fit right in back then in Germany.
And the outcome for this country will be much like Germany's. I don't care how big and tough and rich you think this country is. Most of the world is Muslim. And an added percentage doesn't like us anyway.
If they all decided they had enough of our foolishness, what do you think we could do about it?
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Re: Obama on youTube
By: coaledsweat On: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:29 am
jpete wrote:I have read history. There might not have been a Hitler if not for the Treaty of Versailles.
There will always be Hitlers, Saddams, Pol Pots, Caesars, Genghis Khans. To think otherwise is just plain silly. The Versailles treaty is a great excuse for the Hitlers, it doesn't hold water for the Neville Chamberlains........ as history proves.
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Re: Obama on youTube
By: jpete On: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:49 pm
You're absolutely right, but without a cause or rallying point, would anyone listen to them?
If the Treaty of Versailles hadn't punished the German people, would Hitler have had something to point a finger at and say "See? This is why you suffer! Follow me and I'll show you the way!"
And while we are on it, how did Germany, under every sanction you can think of at the end of WWI, with a global depression thrown in, get the money to become the most advanced army on the planet within 20 years? Seems unlikely.....
Saddam was another one of our puppets.
Pol Pot was the response to the vacuum left after Vietnam.
You can try to insult me by trying to equate me with Chamberlain all you want, but what came first? Versailles or Chamberlain?
Do we not live in a Newtonian universe? Does every action have a reaction? Does every crime have a motive?
If the Treaty of Versailles hadn't punished the German people, would Hitler have had something to point a finger at and say "See? This is why you suffer! Follow me and I'll show you the way!"
And while we are on it, how did Germany, under every sanction you can think of at the end of WWI, with a global depression thrown in, get the money to become the most advanced army on the planet within 20 years? Seems unlikely.....
Saddam was another one of our puppets.
Pol Pot was the response to the vacuum left after Vietnam.
You can try to insult me by trying to equate me with Chamberlain all you want, but what came first? Versailles or Chamberlain?
Do we not live in a Newtonian universe? Does every action have a reaction? Does every crime have a motive?
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Re: Obama on youTube
By: coaledsweat On: Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:11 am
jpete wrote:You can try to insult me by trying to equate me with Chamberlain all you want,
Excuse me? I did what?
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Re: Obama on youTube
By: Dann757 On: Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:36 am
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Re: Obama on youTube
By: Dann757 On: Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:40 am
jpete wrote:If they all decided they had enough of our foolishness, what do you think we could do about it?
50 megaton hydrogen bomb
PS why are you sticking up for our enemies?
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Re: Obama on youTube
By: Poconoeagle On: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:13 pm
Listen to george....he tells what the problem really is...!!
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Re: Obama on youTube
By: Poconoeagle On: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:28 pm
"Do it Right the First Time" dont leave it for the next guy, as YOU may be the Next guy!!
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