President Sarah?

Re: President Sarah?

PostBy: beemerboy On: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:48 am

coaledsweat wrote:
samhill wrote:The xmas bomber attempt was somehow different than the shoe bomber, came from a different country I guess.

The difference is one is an African national and the other (Richard Reid aka the shoe bomber) is an American citizen.


Actually, Richard Reed also known as Abdul Raheem and Tariq Raja was a British citizen born in South London. Mother - white, English decent. Father - a Jamaican immigrant of African descent.

Reed was a petty criminal and from about 1980 to 1996 spent most of his time in jail. Mostly for petty theft and assault convictions.

'99 and '00 Reed trained in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_(shoe_bomber)
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Re: President Sarah?

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:36 am

SMITTY wrote:
I'd rather have a POTENTIAL candidate for President jotting notes down on her hand or whatever, than have a CURRENT PRESIDENT who cannot speak without a teleprompter! You?


Boy, Smitty I have to agree with you. I think the libs are in for a very uncomfortable couple of years if they have their knickers all knotted up this early over a potential presidential candidate for 2012. And for that matter, over one who hasn’t offered up any concrete ideas yet; especially since there are more qualified conservative candidates out there who do have some serious ideas on how to get the country on the path to financial solvency. In a perverted way I think the intolerance displayed toward Sarah is good for the country because as long as the libs are focused on Sarah they can't be making mischief over someone who has put solid solutions on the table and actually has a much better chance of getting the nomination. I think Sarah realizes that, too and has positioned herself for that role. Lisa
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Re: President Sarah?

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:57 am

Lisa, I hope your right, all I did was ask what her solutions were. Everybody knows that our country has plenty of problems but I hear them all saying what is wrong about whats going on but no solutions. It makes me wonder if there would have been anything done differently if McCain had won. We were in a downward spiral & no one knows where the bottom is so something had to be done to at least slow us down. Its gonna get worse before better for a lot of areas, the rust belt areas of the 80s in my opinion still have yet to come back. Service jobs don`t nearly come close to manufacturing jobs & a boost in the min. wage IMO does nothing but raise the price of everything across the board & the low paid workers end up worse off after its all said & done. I guess all I would like to hear are some solutions instead of just some here yuking it up & calling names lets hear something creative.
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Re: President Sarah?

PostBy: Kevin H On: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:31 am

samhill wrote:Lisa, I hope your right, all I did was ask what her solutions were. Everybody knows that our country has plenty of problems but I hear them all saying what is wrong about whats going on but no solutions. It makes me wonder if there would have been anything done differently if McCain had won. We were in a downward spiral & no one knows where the bottom is so something had to be done to at least slow us down. Its gonna get worse before better for a lot of areas, the rust belt areas of the 80s in my opinion still have yet to come back. Service jobs don`t nearly come close to manufacturing jobs & a boost in the min. wage IMO does nothing but raise the price of everything across the board & the low paid workers end up worse off after its all said & done. I guess all I would like to hear are some solutions instead of just some here yuking it up & calling names lets hear something creative.


Good observation, this pile of *censored* was waiting for big O to step in, not something he created. Had McCain or anyone else been elected, maybe they'd be handling it better, maybe worse, but we'd still be in a pile of *censored*. Like McCain said, there will be a time to let the private markets take the reins, but right now, we've got to "Stop the bleeding," and I believe Obama has done so IMO. We'll never know for sure. We know the economy is more stable than it was when Obama walked in, but no telling if it would be better, worse, or same if another candidate had taken the White House. This conservative manifesto that if you cut taxes, drill oil, increase military spending, and de-regulate everything, the whole problem will be immediately and magically obliterated-- Really? How you figure?

Re jobs, where are they really? Well, since you ask, they've been shipped overseas. One major thing we could do to bring good paying jobs back to the U.S. would be to reinstitute tariffs on imports and make it illegal to ship customer service jobs overseas. But no candidate would dare even suggest it, hell the Republicans would frame him as Joseph Stalin so fast it would make his head spin. And if the republicans are good at one thing, it's rapidly whipping low-information voters up into a frenzy. Obama, and healthcare specifically for example I've seen framed as both Communist and Nazi by low information dopes in town hall meetings. Of course, these two things are polar opposites on the political spectrum, but I guess Obama is somehow... Both??

Palin is basically everything we've done to bring the middle class to it's knees in the last 30 years, only more so. President? Book my flight to Europe.
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Re: President Sarah?

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:41 am

boy oh boy wouldnt it be nice if more people actually booked a flight and actually left....

from the side lines it sure looks like the dems can do even more "whipping-up" except they are using fake and false ingredients and end up with a "cool whip" taste instead of a good old

sweet creme flavor. personally it dont matter whose doing the cooking it all tastes like crap.

as we give jobs to other countries.....
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Re: President Sarah?

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:47 am

Kevin H wrote:And if the republicans are good at one thing, it's rapidly whipping low-information voters up into a frenzy.


I would make a comment about the Obama Campaign, but I'll wait for the exports to double, the bullet train, the energy independence, the jobs, the next overseas profuse apology, the next foreign suicidal enemy to be given Constitutional rights, and the next couple of trillion $ infusion of borrowed Chinese money.
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Re: President Sarah?

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:08 am

TVB: have you ever done any public speaking?? I'd bet you'd have a few crib notes scrbbled here and there as well..

To me, this make Sarah very human, instead of the big ???? we have in office right now..

I can't believe anyone who lives in America is proud to have Obama as president.. he's a nothing, with a good speach writer and a teleprompter.

Now, lets see:

Get rid of hundreds of thousands of government employees who I'm paying taxes to support? YOU BET!! WHEN WILL THIS START??
Dirt Roads??? I don't think so,, that is NOT federal money,, federal money goes for interstates, not rural roads.. You want pavement, pay more state taxes: NOT ME, I like my dirt roads..
Government is what we pay for, what we get back are LIES, SPIN, PORK, and HUGE organizations that do NOTHING.. how about the Department of energy, supposed to wean the country off of foreign oil.. started by Jimmy Carter.. How's that program doing?? Billions and Billions every year ,, for what??

We would do real well with zero government.. I'd like to see the laws of the old west again.. Hang thieves, shoot the rest.. everyone is polite to each other, and respect eachother or they get shot..

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Re: President Sarah?

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:27 am

samhill wrote:Lisa, I hope your right, all I did was ask what her solutions were. ...I guess all I would like to hear are some solutions instead of just some here yuking it up & calling names lets hear something creative.


Good morning Samhill,

People with ideas and solutions are speaking out more and more each day but you’ve got to look for them. You’re not going to hear them from the Main Stream Media. It’s not in their vested interest to have an informed population. I’ve said it before you have to read/listen to everything – from both sides – and then give it the gut check. You’ll know if something doesn’t ring true. By doing that I know I agree with the conservative message 90% of the time and the Democratic message 10% (liberal message 0%) and I’m going to vote for the conservative candidate because of that. No candidate is going to feel 100% as I do on 100% of the issues so I vote for the one who agrees with me most often. That’s life.

Note: I didn’t say Republican. I’m a conservative and those are the candidates I’ll support whether they are Democrats or Republicans. However, I have yet to find a Democrat who hasn’t brought the Liberal message hook, line and sinker.

I agree with you about a McCain administration. The last election really didn’t give us much choice. In fact, the only thing a McCain Administration would have been good for is the veto. That may have at least slowed the downward spiral we are in. I also agree with you about the rebirth of production jobs in this country. Without that we can’t grow our economy and continue with the standard of living we enjoy. I don’t have the numbers on hand but government jobs are outpacing private sector jobs by remarkable amounts. That can’t go on. It’s going to hurt but we’ve got to get the Government out of our business and let the free market work.

I don’t have the answers and I don’t think anyone person does. As I said, it’s going to take everyone working together to get us out of this mess. Lisa
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Re: President Sarah?

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:33 am

Thats exactly what I`m talking about Dann, whats your fix now that we know whats wrong? When a country exports real close the number zero it doesn`t take much to double so I think with the evil stim money & small business incentives it won`t be long before someone starts making something to export. We should have never gotten away from train travil in the first place but instead improved what we already had. Guess what energy independence should also have been on the forefront decades ago this as the other problems didn`t just happen. The jobs have also been long gone for the most part, that all started when it became legal for all Co.s to headquarter themselves off shore ( what was it over 1,000 Co.s or there abouts all headquartered in the same building). You can blame unions but you also have to blame the ones that gave the unions what they got so that they could steal more. When you follow a policy of threats & disrespect for the rest of the world a apology & respect goes a long way. Just what do you suggest you do with a terrorist without a country give him the legitimacy of being a soldier rather than a thug, I think he should have been deplaned & shot. How many years have we been holding thugs without ever going to trail & the few that did are still breathing, the ones let go are for the most part fighting again. And that also wasn`t just done. As for the money I guess we`re lucky theres a place to borrow from or we could have just ignored it & just not funded anything, thats what got us to this point in history & neither party is wholely at fault. You have to know what broke before you can attempt a fix. Just what would you have done?
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Re: President Sarah?

PostBy: spc On: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:02 pm

Campaigning for Rick Perry yesterday. :lol:

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Re: President Sarah?

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:36 pm

Just wondering, I see nothing at all wrong with notes while giving a speech. I think standing there & speaking is one of the most difficult things to do but I don`t see much difference between notes & a tele-prompter, ones hand written or typed the other is electronic. Whats the difference & why is one OK to use & the other not?
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Re: President Sarah?

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:38 pm

Kevin H wrote:Like McCain said, there will be a time to let the private markets take the reins, but right now, we've got to "Stop the bleeding," and I believe Obama has done so IMO. We'll never know for sure. We know the economy is more stable than it was when Obama walked in, but no telling if it would be better, worse, or same if another candidate had taken the White House. This conservative manifesto that if you cut taxes, drill oil, increase military spending, and de-regulate everything, the whole problem will be immediately and magically obliterated-- Really? How you figure?
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"We know the economy is more stable than it was when Obama walked in..."

Say what - where do you get the data to support that statement? The jobless rate is now a whopping 9.7% and that's down from a flat 10%. Despite the .3 decrease the country actually lost jobs last month. Any thing that says things are better is clearly mistaken - it's all fuzzy accounting. Ask anyone of the 17% of the population that is truly unemployed. On top of that the jobs which the administration’s stimulus is creating are non sustainable government jobs. I'd be interested in you providing me with the data that shows private sector jobs are being created through the stimulus bill. Those private sector jobs are the backbone of our economy and they aren't there anymore for a variety of reasons mostly because of Obama's current economic strategy of tax and spend but also because of the spending of the last Republican administration. Combine that with the uncertainty of Obama’s redistribution of wealth and you have the cause of the current stagnate economy. And then there is the increased federal deficit which threatens the well being of every man, woman and child of this country until eternity.

"This conservative manifesto that if you cut taxes, drill oil, increase military spending, and de-regulate everything, the whole problem will be immediately and magically obliterated-- Really? How you figure? "

I suggest you look at not only the Reagan tax cuts and the historic turn around in the US economy they made but also look at those put in place by JFK during the short time he had in office. Those facts speak for themselves.

"Re jobs, where are they really? Well, since you ask, they've been shipped overseas."

You never mention why the production jobs have been shipped overseas. To causal observer that may seem counterproductive given the transportation cost incurred but the unions in this country have made it less expensive to ship the raw materials to foreign countries for production and ship the finished product back. That's particularly true of clothing, check your labels. Quite a few of mine say, assembled in xxxx of material made in the US. Putting new tariffs on imports isn't going to help anyone. In fact history shows us the opposite is true. I recommend Goggling the "The Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act of 1930" if you are really interested in facts, not opinions.

“And if the republicans are good at one thing, it's rapidly whipping low-information voters up into a frenzy. Obama, and healthcare specifically for example I've seen framed as both Communist and Nazi by low information dopes in town hall meetings. Of course, these two things are polar opposites on the political spectrum, but I guess Obama is somehow... Both??”

Boy, aren’t you all over the place with your rambling. Again you have not supported your comments with any factual information. Do you even know anyone who participated in a town hall meeting? Or are you repeating what’ve heard or seen on TV? Again I don’t have the data at my finger tips but I could find it very easily as could you if you want to. That data will show that participants in the Town Halls this summer were documented to be highly informed on the health care debate. They just disagree with your point of view so they must be misinformed.

“Palin is basically everything we've done to bring the middle class to it's knees in the last 30 years, only more so. President? Book my flight to Europe.”

All I can say to this is you may want to review recent US history. Democrats, specifically, liberal democrats have controlled the Congress for the most of the last 45 years. Remember all money bills must originate in the House of Representatives per the US Constitution. Congress holds the purse strings and because of that they control the direction the country moves.

I’m sorry you feel the need to move to another country in order to pursue your “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” Me, I’m working to change things here. That being said, if you want to continue with this discussion, please start a new thread with facts not opinion. If not, let's go back to the topic of President Palin. Lisa
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Re: President Sarah?

PostBy: titleist1 On: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:47 pm

If Palin is the best R candidate then they should flush the whole party and start again. She is very good at two things and that is creating an S. Palin "Brand" and promoting S. Palin. She would be a disaster as the leader of our country.

Coincidentally, these are also the two things O is good at and look what that got us. A President that cannot even get legislation passed through a majority D Congress. Reach across the aisle!? Apparently he can''t even reach across the seats in the same row on the same side of the aisle.

There is no substance behind these two curtains, if she and O are running against each other in 2012 it should be called the Land of Oz election.
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Re: President Sarah?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:02 pm

lowfog01 wrote:The jobless rate is now a whopping 9.7% and that's down from a flat 10%. Despite the .3 decrease the country actually lost jobs last month.

It isn't down, they are lying. They reduced the number of active jobs by 7 million to reduce the jobless rate. Use the U6 number for a real jobless figure, last time I knew that was at 18+%.
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Re: President Sarah?

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:08 pm

samhill wrote:Just what would you have done?


HAHAHA what'n the sam hill are ye talkin' about? All my arguements are purely for entertainment purposes. My right wing outlook on politics is my way of trying to feel secure in an insecure world. I saw 9/11 with my own eyes, albeit from a distance. I do say that must have happened for a reason, mostly to do with our presence in Saudi Arabia. I think Sarah wants to drill for more oil here, that would be a good start. Are any environmental nutjobs complaining about the Alaska Pipeline these days?
What would I do? Divvy half the stimulus up and give it to the citizens. I got $400 from Bush which helped to pay for $4 a gallon gas for a few weeks. Now $40,000 would have been a good jump start to the economy.
Put the rest of it into expanding the armed forces, build huge numbers of affordable ships tanks and planes, giving jobs to American contractors.
Reinstate the draft so all the idealistic, indoctrinated young people will flee to Canada.
Do some international sword rattling; set off a big nuke down at Bikini Atoll just to let 'em know we are sick of their little bee stings.
Build a concrete highway barrier all along the southern border.
Eliminate the anchor baby law. Do some serious deportation.
Defend the sovereignty of the USA implicitly, evict the UN from NYC. Let 'em go set up in Mexico City or Paris.
Cut foreign aid with a hatchet.
Tort reform, allow interstate insurance sales. Cut welfare to the people that are too lazy to work.
Give important government positions to Glen Beck, Hannity, and O'Reilly. Also to Joe Arpaio and Ted Nugent and Chuck Norris.
Talk Isreal into moving to a huge chunk of the American Southwest. They'll be able to irrigate it. Let the savage Arabs have all of what was Isreal and call it Palestine. They wouldn't know who to hate!!!
Seize Al Gore's giant mansion and set up Lord Monckton there as AGW czar.
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