Party of NO playing games

Party of NO playing games

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:13 am

The Republicans voted against an bill from B.O. that would have forced Congress to start reduceing the deficit. They introduced a bill that was totally co-sponsered by Rebublicians which Obama approved of doing basically the same thing & 6 of them including the co-sponsers voted it down. I don`t know if its a race thing or what but there has to be some underlining meaning to their actions. My biggest fear is that once the balance of power has changed once again (it always does) the Dem.s are going to adopt the same third grade mentality thats there now & our form of Gov. is going to be totally useless.
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Re: Party of NO playing games

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:54 am

Can you provide a House or Senate Bill number so we can google it? Remember my gut check? Something doesn't sound right and I'd like to know a little more on the subject. Thanks, Lisa
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Re: Party of NO playing games

PostBy: brckwlt On: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:41 pm

im sure the dems attached ear marks to it or some other liberal thing that would make the bill non appealing to a republican
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Re: Party of NO playing games

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:20 pm

Couldn`t find the bill # but it was a bi-partisan bill from Conrad(D) & Gregg(R) & co-sponsered by Brownback(R), McCain(R), McConnell(R), Crapo(R),Ensign(R)& Baily(R) & all six (R) co-sponsers voted against it. This was back on or about 1-27-10.
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Re: Party of NO playing games

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:34 pm

Thank you for providing the information on where to find the House Bill SamHill was referring too. I'm glad I asked.

The first couple of sentences really cleared things up for me. The source is the “Hill Newspaper.”

“The Senate on Tuesday rejected legislation calling for a congressional commission to recommend reductions in the federal deficit… The 53-46 vote fell seven votes shy of the necessary 60 under an agreement both parties reached Monday night, and represented deep divisions on both sides of the aisle.”

This was not a vote ” that would have forced Congress to start reducing the deficit.” This was proposed amendment that would have removed the Constitution authority of the purse springs from Congress. I agree something needs to be done as did several Republicans but this is not the appropriate tool.

“The vote defeated an amendment by Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) and ranking member Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) that would have created an 18-member panel to propose spending and reduction policies.”

This is much different then what was presented in previous postings. I remind everyone that the Democrats have a strong enough majority to pass anything they pretty much want. The fact of the matter as reported in the “Hill Newspaper” referenced by beemerboy is that 23 Democrats voted against this bill as did 23 Republicans. If any 6 of those Democrats had voted with the party it would have been a done deal. Have a great day, Lisa
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Re: Party of NO playing games

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:40 pm

I remind everyone that neither party votes to help us only themselves. Why sponser a bill & then vote it down, don`t waste everyones time & effort. I`m afraid that this type of game playing is going to go on forever & basically render our form of Gov. totally useless, notice I said totally its not far away from there now.
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Re: Party of NO playing games

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:54 pm

samhill wrote: Why sponser a bill & then vote it down, don`t waste everyones time & effort. I`m afraid that this type of game playing is going to go on forever & basically render our form of Gov. totally useless, notice I said totally its not far away from there now.


The sponsors (Conrad (D) and Gregg(R) of this amendment both voted for it. I doubt they felt they were wasting "everyone's time and effort." I believe they strongly feel as you and I do that something needs to be done. The thing is it needs to be the best fit for the country and a majority of both parties felt that wasn't this amendment. When faced with a bad choice sometimes the best thing to do is to do nothing. Lisa
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Re: Party of NO playing games

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:12 pm

The first article I read stated that Gregg was one of the ones that voted no & that the other five mentioned had all signed on as co-sponsers only to vote no. If there was some last minute thing they didn`t like couldn`t they have simply amended their own bill?
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Re: Party of NO playing games

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:50 pm

lowfog01 wrote:
samhill wrote: Why sponser a bill & then vote it down, don`t waste everyones time & effort. I`m afraid that this type of game playing is going to go on forever & basically render our form of Gov. totally useless, notice I said totally its not far away from there now.


The sponsors (Conrad (D) and Gregg(R) of this amendment both voted for it. I doubt they felt they were wasting "everyone's time and effort." I believe they strongly feel as you and I do that something needs to be done. The thing is it needs to be the best fit for the country and a majority of both parties felt that wasn't this amendment. When faced with a bad choice sometimes the best thing to do is to do nothing. Lisa



like the health care legislation

no bill is better than an incredibly expensive bill that is so complex that no one senator will read the whole thing
and no American really knows how it will affect their life
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Re: Party of NO playing games

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:12 pm

samhill wrote:The first article I read stated that Gregg was one of the ones that voted no & that the other five mentioned had all signed on as co-sponsers only to vote no. If there was some last minute thing they didn`t like couldn`t they have simply amended their own bill?


http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r ... vote=00005

Here's the official roll call and the results of the vote. Clearly, Gregg voted yes on this amendment as did 23 other Republicans. I think 23 Democrats voted against it.

You keep confusing an amendment with a Bill. I haven't heard what Bill this amendment was attached to but my guess would be that Bill had nothing to do with reducing the deficit. Both the House and the Senate attach amendments of no relationship to a Bill's original intent all the time. Most of the amendments would do no harm but some like this one could change things and not for the better, in my opinion. I’m not sure of the Procedural Rules which would apply in order to amend an amendment submitted for a vote. The report in “The Hill Newspaper” seemed to indicate they were voting under special rules already. Lisa
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Re: Party of NO playing games

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:16 pm

I never could get bills & admendments right, sorry if I got anyone else confused. I still am.
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