Forced Unionization through Subsidies

Forced Unionization through Subsidies

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:32 pm

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 1241120838

Ms. Berry owns her own business—yet the Michigan Department of Human Services claims she is a government employee and union member. The agency thus withholds union dues from the child-care subsidies it sends to her on behalf of her low-income clients. Those dues are funneled to a public-employee union that claims to represent her. The situation is crazy—and it's happening elsewhere in the country.

A year ago in December, Ms. Berry and more than 40,000 other home-based day care providers statewide were suddenly informed they were members of Child Care Providers Together Michigan—a union created in 2006 by the United Auto Workers and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. The union had won a certification election conducted by mail under the auspices of the Michigan Employment Relations Commission. In that election only 6,000 day-care providers voted. The pro-labor vote turned out.



Today the Department of Human Services siphons about $3.7 million in annual dues to the union—from the child-care subsidies. The money should be going to home-based day-care providers—themselves not on the high end of the income scale. Ms. Berry now sees money once paid to her go to a union that does little for her. She says she is "self employed and wants nothing to do with the union."
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Re: Forced Unionization through Subsidies

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:46 pm

What an outrage. I know somebody that works at what they say is the lowest priced day care center in NJ. The person only works there part-time to get the health insurance. I hear horror stories from that place. It's located in a church building, 15 employees, dirty conditions, incompetant owner, they ran out of paper cups the other day so the kids went without drinks. Working class parents seem to have no choice.
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Re: Forced Unionization through Subsidies

PostBy: Brian On: Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:00 pm

Don't you think its about time Americans should start taking care of Americans.
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Re: Forced Unionization through Subsidies

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:24 am

Dann757 wrote:What an outrage.


Yes there should be outrage, the union has found a loophole to reach into the pockets of some small private business's to the tune of 3.7 million a year. They claim to have increased subsidies but that comes out of taxpayers pockets and who the hell are they representing anyway? It's more like they are representing the clients. You could suggest they simply drop subsidized clients but if they have a large business built around those clients that will have severe impacts on their bottom line and they shouldn't be left out of the subsidies to begin with because they refuse to be union. This whole deal just stinks.

The union had won a certification election conducted by mail under the auspices of the Michigan Employment Relations Commission. In that election only 6,000 day-care providers voted. The pro-labor vote turned out.


They probably sent these out and many people never realized they would be forced into this. I used to deal with LIHEAP customers and it would never even cross my mind that I could end up paying union dues because I didn't vote. I am after all a private business right?

The premise is that they are employees of the state because they accept subsidies for some clients but that's not the way I look at it. It's not the day cares receiving the subsidies but the clients. That also brings up some other interesting questions such as are grocers, doctors, fuel vendors or anyone else that accepts subsidized customers susceptible to this?

I know how I would have handled this depending on how they were taking the funds. If the dues came out out of the clients pocket before I saw the check they would simply be paying more out of pocket for the service. If the dues came out of my pocket where I would have to credit the client I'd drop them all like a rock but I would have that choice because very few of my customers were on LIHEAP.
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Re: Forced Unionization through Subsidies

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:24 am

They must be trying to raise funds for '12 .... ya know, to swaaay the election in their favor. It's a given which way the union leans. :roll: :sick:
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Re: Forced Unionization through Subsidies

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:50 pm

Dann757 wrote:What an outrage. I know somebody that works at what they say is the lowest priced day care center in NJ. The person only works there part-time to get the health insurance. I hear horror stories from that place. It's located in a church building, 15 employees, dirty conditions, incompetant owner, they ran out of paper cups the other day so the kids went without drinks. Working class parents seem to have no choice.


You think daycare will get cheaper with a union? Or better? Compare GM to Toyota. Who does it better and cheaper? Toyota is facing its first major problem about 50 years after the Corvair.

And, If union-style bureaucracy and rank-in-file works so well, where are the multitudes of inspectors to oversee that day care center? NJ isn't exactly light on civil servants.
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Re: Forced Unionization through Subsidies

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:26 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:where are the multitudes of inspectors to oversee that day care center? NJ isn't exactly light on civil servants.


Mike, I asked my friend about this, today. ( Here I go again ignoring the sage advice of Vito Corleone, " I don't get involved in matters that don't concern me.")

My friend said that the NJ inspectors don't come unannounced. When one is scheduled, the employees are ordered to scramble around and make things look good, and be on their best behavior. The owner always manages to squeak through the inspections. The owner actually complained to the State about being harassed after one 'hard assed' inspector pointed out violations.
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Re: Forced Unionization through Subsidies

PostBy: mr1precision On: Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:34 pm

Wouldnt Cadilac health care tax exemption for unions only force many businesses to go union as well?
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Re: Forced Unionization through Subsidies

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:08 pm

What was wrong with the Corvair that had to do with unions or GM for that matter?
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Re: Forced Unionization through Subsidies

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:28 pm

I'm sure what a lot of this has to do with Unions being forced onto these small business's. Back on topic please.
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Re: Forced Unionization through Subsidies

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:00 pm

samhill wrote:What was wrong with the Corvair that had to do with unions or GM for that matter?


The Corvair was simply the starting point of a multitude of GM problems in the area of quality. Toyota has had up to this point a great record. GM is a union shop. Toyota is not, at least in the US. There are always tradeoffs when competition is union versus non-union. Unionization wasn't the direct cause of the Corvair's problem but ultimately unions drove up costs and quality suffered in the sixties and seventies. It's still a problem. Unions don't necessarily make a better product. They always make a more expensive product.

To force unionization on independent business people without their consent is the antithesis of liberty.
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Re: Forced Unionization through Subsidies

PostBy: rouxzy On: Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:54 am

The demise of GM wasn't Unions it was management. Read Lee Iacoca's book. In it he says that the automakers management knew that they let costs run away with the unions. Management figured that we're making money today but eventually we won't. Today we won't worry about tomorrow. Don't blame unions for that.
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Re: Forced Unionization through Subsidies

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:59 am

rouxzy wrote:...the automakers management knew that they let costs run away with the unions. Management figured that we're making money today but eventually we won't.


Read your own post.

Union costs weren't optional for GM. Unions are like a boa constrictor on its prey: they squeeze until it's dead and the prey cannot do anything about it but try to take another breath even though it will likely be their last.
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