Bombshell Article on BBC: Interview Of Phil Jones

Bombshell Article on BBC: Interview Of Phil Jones

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:40 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511701.stm

Phil Jones, the professor behind the “Climategate” affair, has admitted some of his decades-old weather data was not well enough organised.

He said this contributed to his refusal to share raw data with critics – a decision he says he regretted.

But Professor Jones said he had not cheated the data, or unfairly influenced the scientific process.

He said he stood by the view that recent climate warming was most likely predominantly man-made.

But he agreed that two periods in recent times had experienced similar warming. And he agreed that the debate had not been settled over whether the Medieval Warm Period was warmer than the current period.


That last sentence is quite significant, if the medieval warming period was the same or even higher then we have historical temperatures the same as we have now.

As far as his "not well enough organised." comment that I'm going to assume goes back to the quote in my signature. The speculation has been that his work is so screwed up from undocumented dataset changes and code changes that they can no longer produce previous results.

In simple terms they added 1 + X . As they progressed through the years they then went and added X +Y, Y+Z.... Since no one know what X Y or Z is they can't go backwards and explain how they arrived at what they have now.

Time will tell.
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Re: Bombshell Article on BBC: Interview Of Phil Jones

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:56 pm

Real scientists know that the science is rarely settled. Only an open mind can discover. Only a well-informed person should act.

And, every homeowner knows this: Fixing all that's unbroken will surely break you.

Personally, I feel it is this issue that has turned voters against the democrats. It suddenly became clear that the left has been chasing windmills.
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Re: Bombshell Article on BBC: Interview Of Phil Jones

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:42 pm

One could not be a successful scientist without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of scientists, a goodly number of scientists are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. - J. D. Watson, "The Double Helix"

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth. - A petition organized by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, which was signed by over 17,000 scientists (none of whom has a vested interest in polluting industries)

Consider this. The same groups now preaching environmental hellfire and brimstone were predicting a new ice age just twenty years ago. In the 1970s headlines warned "Earth may be headed for another ice age" (The New York Times) with "extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation" and "a full-blown 10,000-year ice age" (Science magazine). "Brace Yourself for Another Ice Age" (Science Digest), because there were "ominous signs" that "the Earth's climate seems to be cooling down," and "meteorologists are almost unanimous" that "the trend will reduce agricultural productivity" (Newsweek). "Glaciers had "begun to advance" and armadillos were retreating south from Nebraska (The Christian Science Monitor). - Jon Perdue, "Global Warming is Hot Air",The New Australian, 15-21 March 1999
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Re: Bombshell Article on BBC: Interview Of Phil Jones

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:30 pm

Dann757 wrote: A petition organized by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, which was signed by over 17,000 scientists (none of whom has a vested interest in polluting industries)


To be fair I would trust that petition as much as I would trust the CRU.
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Re: Bombshell Article on BBC: Interview Of Phil Jones

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:42 am

The reason Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html


:funny:

Using freshman student excuses......the dog ate my homework, LOL!

Edit : The previous articles illustrated the data manipulation was so out of hand they couldn't keep up with all the programing errors. I'd call them fools but the acts were designed to deceive, frauds for certain, maybe criminal if the case is pursued.
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Re: Bombshell Article on BBC: Interview Of Phil Jones

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:02 am

The sad part is he is probably telling the truth and all that work done by him and others is pretty much going to end up unsupported. There's a lot of people that have based there work on what the CRU has done. It's a crime.
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