Any idea what this is ?

Any idea what this is ?

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:29 pm

My house was build around 1968, it has a rittenhouse intercom,and doorbell with speakers. I have this funny recptacle in my bedroom, 24 volt 4 prong, was it for the intercom or something else( like Larry the Cable guy says, for a quarter you can get a 1/2 hour of BED WIGGLEING :oops: ) The speakers are shot but the door bell works. :D
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Re: Any idea what this is ?

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:41 pm

That,my friend,is an ancient 4 prong analog phone jack for a old rotary phone.
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Re: Any idea what this is ?

PostBy: rockwood On: Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:46 pm

Bob is right! Been a long time since I've seen one of those.
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Re: Any idea what this is ?

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:51 pm

Can it still be used ? I don't know much on the phone buisness except it cost's me $$$.
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Re: Any idea what this is ?

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:56 pm

Can I add this to the line, than I could have a PARTY. :D :D :D
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Re: Any idea what this is ?

PostBy: Freddy On: Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:12 pm

DING! We have a winner! Bob is right, it's a phone jack.....but not all THAT old!
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Re: Any idea what this is ?

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:16 pm

Now you're talkin' !! I haven't seen one of those old jacks since I was a wittle kid. If memory serves me right...4 wire circuit. red and green equals tip and ring. Those are the two you need for voice. black and yellow provided for lit buttons on old phone...Hell,I could be wrong on the black and yellow,but if you stroll on down to the Shack or Hardware store and pick up a modern jack to plug into,the color code will carry and you should have bedside phone service. As far as dat phone,we called 'em grinders........That one's a beaut....Also,ancient and old are only relevant to how fast everything has changed since the home was put up in '68....Freddy,you and i are still kids!! LOL :D
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Re: Any idea what this is ?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:19 pm

I beleive w/ an adapter it can be used--I guess they still have them--that cranker reminded me of our Maine phone # Mt Vernon 46 Ring 2--- 1-------- 2 long cranks---1 short :)
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Re: Any idea what this is ?

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:20 pm

Thanks, I discribed it to the electrician at work, but he didn't know. I had a picture at the hardware store and they had no idea. Forgive me for saying this, but it shows my age, I shure don't remember them :o .
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Re: Any idea what this is ?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:22 pm

You can do anything you've got the patiance to try :D
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Re: Any idea what this is ?

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:24 pm

THANKS AGAIN, went to the hardware store, put on a new jack, and walla my phone works. :D :D :blah: :blah:
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Re: Any idea what this is ?

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:37 pm

Dats 'cause you 'da man!
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Re: Any idea what this is ?

PostBy: RMA On: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:49 pm

Hambden Bob wrote:Now you're talkin' !! I haven't seen one of those old jacks since I was a wittle kid. If memory serves me right...4 wire circuit. red and green equals tip and ring. Those are the two you need for voice. black and yellow provided for lit buttons on old phone...Hell,I could be wrong on the black and yellow,but if you stroll on down to the Shack or Hardware store and pick up a modern jack to plug into,the color code will carry and you should have bedside phone service. As far as dat phone,we called 'em grinders........That one's a beaut....Also,ancient and old are only relevant to how fast everything has changed since the home was put up in '68....Freddy,you and i are still kids!! LOL :D


I recall the phone installer in my house telling me that all one had to do to change from the old "Western Electric" Bell system dial n' "ringing" phone to a new style pulse phone was to reverse the red and green wires. Hook 'em up and if it doesn't work reverse 'em. [hmmm, could have been black and green?]

I recall, too, doing just that at an old jack or two in the house and it worked just fine...

Bob
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Re: Any idea what this is ?

PostBy: crazysteamer On: Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:55 pm

Standard phone connections are RED / GREEN for the line 1, YELLOW / BLACK for line 2 - today. Ring and tip are the same today as they were with rotary phones before since there are still people with rotary phones in use combined with touch tone - there are actually touch-tone phones that have switches on them to get them to output 'pulses' instead of tones. My father-in-law here on the farm refuses to pay 'extra' for touch-tone service, so he has the basic with a button phone that outputs pulses.

When that 4-square was installed, yellow / black were probably not used as multi-line households were totally unheard-of. As mentioned, sometimes those connectors were used for power to 'lighted dials' and would have a small power supply connected at the interface surge supressor demark or somewhere in the house where 110 vac power was available to 'inject'.

That 4-square was not restricted to 'rotary' phones.

There were many touch-tone phones built with that jack until about 1975, when the phone company decided to go to the 'modular' system currently used.

Remember when touch-tones phones were introduced to the public? NYC World's Fair, 1964 in the public pay phone booths. After the first week, almost all had been ripped out and stolen by people that didn't realize that they could not use them at home. Ma Bell had to put up signs explaining that theft was of no use - phone would not work.

Last I looked, RadioShack still SOLD a converter from 4-square to modular.

The problem with connecting OLD phones is not one of the connection, but one of 'ring equivalency' - the power necessary to make the bell ring. If the RE is too high (or the total RE for the house is too high), the phone company may not be able to send enough current down the new lines at 68 VDC to make the bell ring.

This isn't a problem with the new electronic phones, but the old phones took quite a lot of 68VDC to cause the bell to function.

If you have a phone with a magneto in it, you do NOT want to connect it to the telephone system.

When you spin the magneto, the phone sent voltage BACK to to the switchboard to let the operator know you wanted to make a call. Sending voltage BACK DOWN a phone line today will cause major problems at the phone company end and may very well damage any phones you have connected in your own house.

Theoretically, the phone company should protect itself (lightning and all that), but there is no guarantee that any of the phones in your house have any protection, and if you spin the magneto hard enough to exceed the 'nominal' 68 VDC that the phones are designed to handle - you have just become the local RadioShack's best customer.
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Re: Any idea what this is ?

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:47 pm

Just another reason of why I love this place!! Thanx,Crazy Steamer...Remember them climbing the pole on that show "Green Acres" to make a phone call?? :lol:
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