Census. gettin personal?

Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:50 pm

cntbill wrote:I for one don't really trust hardly anyone in the government and the ones I might, about grain of salt's worth. But the one thing about the census for what it is worth to me was to find out stuff about my family, doing a family tree thing a bit ago and came across the 1930 Census made for some interesting reading... Maybe 50 years from now my grand kid might be supprised what they find :shock:

My Great Grandparents, Grandparents, and father start on line 19, 11 Hampden St.

1930 US Federal Census.jpg


Blank Form
Census1930.jpg

I thought the information collected was private, where did you find this ?
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: cntbill On: Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:54 pm

That is just it... it is not private! You can go to the county/state court house and find it.
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:59 pm

cntbill wrote:That is just it... it is not private! You can go to the county/state court house and find it.

How many years are in the search ? When does it become public knowledge ?
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: cntbill On: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:07 pm

AA130FIREMAN wrote:
cntbill wrote:That is just it... it is not private! You can go to the county/state court house and find it.

How many years are in the search ? When does it become public knowledge ?


Good questions, but I don't know, I just used the 1930 Census because it had the info I was looking for.
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: CoaLen On: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:19 pm

I too have done a lot of research lately, building my family tree in Ancestry.com. The U. S. census information becomes public after 72 years. Ancestry.com compiles it and posts it on their site. I gain access to the original forms online by subscribing to their site. The census is the core of my geneology research.
I've also gone to our main public library and printed copies of death certificates and marriage licenses. They both contain a lot of personal information and are available to the public. For instance, I was having trouble finding a marriage license for my wife's great grandparents. I took a shot at a couple that had similar names. It turns out it was a couple married in 1991. The marriage license contained their full names and social security numbers! :shock: I shredded it immediately but it was a real eye opener as to what's already out there and available to anyone that wants to make any effort to find it.
-Len
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: rberq On: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:37 pm

AA130FIREMAN wrote:How many years are in the search ? When does it become public knowledge ?

According to my wife, who has done a lot of genealogy work, the census becomes public after 72 years. So right now, the newest census available to the public is 1930. In 2012, the 1940 census will become public. The 1890 census burned up, which causes great distress among those tracking their ancestors, as the trail might go cold between 1880 and 1900.

From 1790 to 1840 the US census was only head of household, and a count of males and females. Starting in 1850 all people in the house on a certain date were enumerated. So if you were visiting Aunt Mabel on that date, you would be recorded at her address, not where you normally resided. Naturally some people would be missed, and some would be double-counted. Names can be confusing, because people would often give nicknames or drop a name -- for example someone born "Emily Grace Smith" might just give the name "Grace Smith" because Grace is the name she went by. All kinds of fascinating things come out in the censuses. You see how many young men married the girl next door (literally next door), then you find the land deeds and how the farms were split up or consolidated as a result. Whole extended families -- parents, married offspring, brothers and sisters -- would disappear from an Eastern state and reappear in the West in the next census. My wife's grandfather had apparently deserted from the British army, so he went by a variety of names from one census to another. People in this area (Maine) would say they were born in the US rather than in Canada. One relative joined both the American and English armies during the revolution, and was collecting military pensions from both the US and Canada in his old age. Another ancestor, apparently forgetful or a jokester, gave a different birthplace every ten years.

Personally, I don't see any problem with this information becoming public after so many decades. Don't forget, it can cut both ways. If your great great great great uncle Richie Rich left a hundred million bucks to his descendants, wouldn't it be nice if the probate court could locate you? And if you're a Mormon, then it saves you a lot of time in the afterlife, because you already know a lot about your ancestors and don't have to spend as long getting acquainted.
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:41 am

Can anyone explain why the government needs to know how many toilets are in my house to determine how many representatives I should have in Congress?
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:45 am

If you have more toilets, they will tax you more ... and hire more reps at over-the-top yearly salaries ... :(
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:51 am

apparently there are 10 questions & the only one I see being over MY edge personal, is my phone number,which every schmuck telemarketer in the world seems to have anyway--yes we are on the do not call list & it seems to work--I've got some mormon friends out here that have helped me w/geneology stuff--they have the best access--found stuff I couldn't get on other sites--my grandmom on my fathers side remarried when my grandfather died-back in the 20's-floozy :shock: I didn't know that--my wife is on the tribal census(passamaquaddy)in Maine & they have notified her to make sure she makes that clear on the census form--alot of it,I guess,is about money distribution-----I've seen no questions about income or employment--maybe i'm missing alot-- we haven't gotten our papers yet,& I can only hope there are no toilet questions :flush: I mean are they going to tax our two seater,he$$,I'll make it a one seater I've seen 2 other videos of what the questions will be--I think Mr Day may just be a little paranoid--damn guys,the govt. probably knows how often each of us visits this web-site :?: :?: they already know how many kids,SS numbers,income & probably what size union suit I wear----pi$$ em,I've still got a whole cabinet full of guns & if they ever want them--we've got a problem :rambo3:
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:17 am

Hey Fred, if you ever get the time you or your wife might want to go to the foxwoods casino site, they have links on there for the Mashantucket Pequot Museum & they have a extensive research dept. for all Indian tribes especially in the New England area. You might find it interesting.
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:52 am

Fred, you must have the short form. There is also a long form that is several pages. There is a threat of a $100 fine per question not answered to a maximum of $5000 so there are at least 50 questions on the long form.
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:59 am

Damn,that's about my whole SSA check for the year----shoulda done more work on the books & less farmin---ya know,they shut down our local post office a few yrs back--not enough people--Cortland County is the tail end of Appalachia--maybe it has it's advantages being financially pathetic :D Happy yet pathetic
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: wlape3 On: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:29 pm

jpete wrote:Can anyone explain why the government needs to know how many toilets are in my house to determine how many representatives I should have in Congress?


Probably they just want to know how much crap you can handle. :P

Maybe that's why most house are built with three these days. :shock:
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:52 pm

I didn't want to say anymore until I saw this Census--well,it came today--hung on the door knob--thankfully I was out sugaring--I was wound up w/ some of the stuff I read on this post--It is 10 questions,the most personal being our phone number,which any idiot can call info. for--they also wanted to know Momma's & my Tribal affiliations--do you rent,have morgage,or own outright--date of birth--current age--# of people living in house--nothing about income or financial info and most important,thank God,no questions about toilets.Anyone that reads any of my posts,knows I'm pretty much an old goof--they can't tax my sense of humor(deranged as it may be) I think the job this current govt. is doing is pathetic--but to get all wound up about something as silly as this Census,is even sillier.Someone posted that I must have gotten the short version,I must ask,please let me know what the long version consists of. :?: :?: Hey jpete :shots:
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: brckwlt On: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:37 pm

I got a letter from the united states department of commerce today saying i would receive the census in about one week from now. They threaten if it isn't filled out completely my town might not "get its fair share" <------ sounds like welfare to me.

It amazes me how they even use scare :rambo2: tactics with something as simple as counting people.

they should be glad anyone even bothers to fill out the form and return it to them. It better be postage paid or they might not get it back from me
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