Census. gettin personal?

Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:14 am




geez how much food could the poor have with that money......

the word " flagrant" comes to mind... :mad:
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:31 am

grumpy wrote:
jpete wrote:This is the short form. The long form asks how many toilets you have and all kinds of other stupid questions.

There is a $100 fine for every question unanswered to a maximum of $5000.


NO That cannot be true...


New info. It's from the Providence Journal so I can't vouch for reliability. :D

http://www.projo.com/news/content/CENSU ... 87a02.html

The Census Bureau says it’s one of the shortest forms in history, and takes about 10 minutes to fill out. You are required to do so, by law.


To improve the 72-percent nationwide overall participation rate in 2000 –– and the 67-percent mail-back rate –– the Census Bureau has spent $430 million in an unprecedented advertising campaign in 28 languages — from English and Spanish to Urdu and Yiddish.


How strong is this law???

This year’s questionnaire was purposely shortened to increase participation, Ludgate said. “A decision was made to move the long-form data to the American Community Survey,” a sampling first introduced in 2005 that is now conducted monthly, on a rolling basis

That sampling, a separate part of the decennial census, captures data ranging from housing conditions, plumbing facilities and telephone service, to marital status, languages spoken at home, education attained, and whether the respondents are able to dress and feed themselves.


Although you can be fined up to $5,000 for not sending the form back, the Census Bureau “is not in the business of prosecuting for noncompliance,” said Ludgate, the Boston office director.


And just so we all feel better about this. ;)

Planning for each census lasts a decade: the life-cycle cost of Census 2010 is $14 billion.
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:17 am

What's to feel good about?

The census today seeks to help congress understand the national demographic for the purpose of spending on social programs and for congressional re-districting. Unfortunately, it perpetuates the tax and spend logic of the government.

When the census requirement was written into the Constitution it was for the purpose of enumeration so that federal taxes could be apportioned among the several states by population. The income tax amendment repealed the ban on capitation and changed the requirement for tax apportionment. Without a requirement to apportion, simple enumeration should serve the needs of congress for re-districting.

The census remains an unnecessary vestige that serves only the worst aspects of modern government while needlessly invading the privacy of citizens. Shorten the short form to "what is the address", "how many people live here", "what are their names and ages", and "what are their social security numbers". That's all they need to satisfy the constitutional intent.
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:34 am

If we as a people would all just report 50% of the # in our households do you think they would get rid of 50% of our rep.s? If so that would be well worth it IMO, just think half of those civic minded individuals that only have whats best for us in their hearts & minds would be gone. Then we would need only half the perks, pensions, salaries, lobbyists & everything else that goes with them, the country would be well on its way to recovery.
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:03 pm

You may be on to something! :D
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:49 pm

Got my census in the mail today, 10 questions for the first person, 7 questions for the others in the house. What burns me up is the race questions, I am not listed, my collor is not white or black, I am an AMERICAN ? I think, I was born here, after all, I should know, I was there. Every year they take the tax $$$ from me, maybee they want to give me ALL my $$$ back. Guess I will have to check (Some other race) IF RACE DOES NOT MATTER, WHY IS IT A QUESTION THAT IS ALWAYS ASKED (employment, etc., etc.) ?
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:57 pm

Question 9 answer by checking the last option — "Some other race" — and writing in "American."
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:58 pm

AA130FIREMAN wrote:....... IF RACE DOES NOT MATTER, WHY IS IT A QUESTION THAT IS ALWAYS ASKED (employment, etc., etc.) ?

Keeps people like Al Sharpton , Jesse Jackson & Jeremiah Wright perpetually sucking off the system ...
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:06 pm

By Law all you have to state is how many people live in the house, thats it, screw all the other questions...
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:36 pm

They don't ask the race question on the federal income tax form, guess it don't matter where the $$$ comes from, they just want to know where they can spend it.
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:36 pm

As for the Race question--I'm a tad wrinkled--I didn't use that other word cause it would get censored ;) Me & my wife are Native American--NOT American Indian--the only reason Indian came to be was that Idiot Columbus thought he was landing in the East or West???I forget which, Indies--come on Chris--& probably the Native Americans would not get all the tax breaks--yes,only by living on the Reservations--we pay the same as everyone else out here in the middle of nowhere,anyhow,tax breaks---if you guys had of given us a fair shake with the purchase of Manhattan,come on,some seashells :( maybe we'd be more cheerful :cheers: Grumpy,if your going to say according to the law--let people know where that law is--I agree w/ you 100%,but if there is a law clarifying some of this crap,I'd love to find it & I've looked :!: :)
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:54 am

im using my census form to light one of the late burning season fires on a damp chilly night

the max they can fine you is $100 and they gotta find you at home to do it
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: lumpocoal On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:20 pm

grumpy wrote:By Law all you have to state is how many people live in the house, thats it, screw all the other questions...

thats all I did, I put a #3 for how many live in my house, and if they want more info, f^ them.
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:58 pm

I was just wondering if all of you go thru this much gloom & doom every 10 years or if this is something new?
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: pvolcko On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:23 pm

freetown fred wrote:Grumpy,if your going to say according to the law--let people know where that law is--I agree w/ you 100%,but if there is a law clarifying some of this crap,I'd love to find it & I've looked :!: :)


US Constitution, Article 1, Section 2:

"Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three years after the first meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent term of ten years, in such manner as they shall by law direct."

Modified by amendment 14 to include all persons regardless of race. "Indians not taxed" still excluded.

Two schools of thought:

1) It says that they can only enumerate the number of persons. The law can not direct that a person provide any information beyond number of residents in a domicile. They can ask what they like, but they can not compel by law any answers beyond number of persons.

2) "in such a manner as they shall by law direct" allows for a much more expansive census to be conducted and for answers beyond mere enumeration to be compelled by force of law.

#2 is given credence by the supreme court ruling in United States v. Moriarity and a number of other ruling since then, including one in 2000 or 2001 (Morales) that upheld the census questions against a 4th amendment privacy challenge. That said, there has not been, as far as I know, a case where the court was asked or did rule specifically on the penalties for refusal to answer questions on the census.

Tread carefully. :)
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