Census. gettin personal?

Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:46 pm

Thanx for the come back on that pvolcko--that'a it me & Momma are moving to her reservation in Maine---NOT--I think we'd rather stay here & fight for our God given rights :)
pvolcko wrote:
freetown fred wrote:Grumpy,if your going to say according to the law--let people know where that law is--I agree w/ you 100%,but if there is a law clarifying some of this crap,I'd love to find it & I've looked :!: :)


US Constitution, Article 1, Section 2:

"Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three years after the first meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent term of ten years, in such manner as they shall by law direct."

Modified by amendment 14 to include all persons regardless of race. "Indians not taxed" still excluded.

Two schools of thought:

1) It says that they can only enumerate the number of persons. The law can not direct that a person provide any information beyond number of residents in a domicile. They can ask what they like, but they can not compel by law any answers beyond number of persons.

2) "in such a manner as they shall by law direct" allows for a much more expansive census to be conducted and for answers beyond mere enumeration to be compelled by force of law.

#2 is given credence by the supreme court ruling in United States v. Moriarity and a number of other ruling since then, including one in 2000 or 2001 (Morales) that upheld the census questions against a 4th amendment privacy challenge. That said, there has not been, as far as I know, a case where the court was asked or did rule specifically on the penalties for refusal to answer questions on the census.

Tread carefully. :)
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: brckwlt On: Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:19 am

i have had my census form for about a week now and dont feel like filling it out ... they ask for my phone number in the huge form they want me to fill out. why the hell do they need my phone number. the census is to count people ... it should be one question long ... how many people live here ... thats all nothing more.

If i decide not to fill in my phone number will i be fined? Or thrown in jail, or become obamas personal S&M b*tch ...

basically, i dont feel i should have to get my phone number to this corrupt govt and wanted to know what sort of jail time or fines i might face if i choose not to fill out that part of the form
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:50 am

I was told all you had to do is say how many people live in the house, I hope so because that's all I did, Last time I dint even send it in.. wish that was the case this time..
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: valley trash On: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:55 am

grumpy wrote:I was told all you had to do is say how many people live in the house, I hope so because that's all I did, Last time I dint even send it in.. wish that was the case this time..


Did they threaten you at all last time? Or did you get fined for not obeying the masters rule?
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: brckwlt On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:45 pm

I finally filled out my census. i left out my phone number and filled things in very sloppily. When you look at the back of the envelope right under the place where you lick the glue to seal the envelope. it says "thanks for participating in the 2010 census" i was very tempted to write underneath it ... "i didnt know i had a choice" but i didnt know if that would get me in any trouble. i sort of wish i would of wrote it now ... ohh well there is always next time
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Re: Census. gettin personal?

PostBy: grumpy On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:59 pm

valley trash wrote:
grumpy wrote:I was told all you had to do is say how many people live in the house, I hope so because that's all I did, Last time I dint even send it in.. wish that was the case this time..


Did they threaten you at all last time? Or did you get fined for not obeying the masters rule?



Never heard a word.......
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