Direnzo Pea Coal Quality

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Direnzo Pea Coal Quality

PostBy: northernberkspa On: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:05 pm

In October, I had gotten a load of Pea coal, that came from the Direnzo Coal Company. I had gotten a total of 6.25 tons at this time. When wet, the coal looked fine, but as it dried off, you could see plenty of dull looking stuff mixed in. After I began to burn this stuff, it did something that I could not remember happening with any other coal I have ever burned.. It snapped, it crackled, and flew out of the stove at me!! This stuff was nasty. I have a Harman Mark II, and everyday I would get these little chips of coal, laying on the inside ledge of the door. They became a mess, falling onto the floor, and ledge of where the ash pan door is. Always having to sweep up these tiny chipped off pieces of broken coal, on a daily basis.
The heat from this coal was not as hot as any other winter I had burned coal. I had to open my draft more, and the burn time was way lower too. Simply put, I had a load of bad quality coal this time. Lots of coal shale, or rock, whatever you want to call it... It was simply just poor quality.
Ashes were another problem. I had such a bad time raking my ashes, I had to put a pipe wrench onto the raker bar handle to help break up the hard clinkers that formed. At one point, I even banged at it with a hammer, it was so bad. I thought maybe I was just burning wrong or something... so I kind of accepted it, and burned this rock coal all winter.
Not until I had to get another load of coal, did I realize that my load from Direnzo in October, was Bad Coal. I had to get more coal to make it through the winter, as my first load was now all but burned up. I maybe have approximately a 1/2 ton left of this junk from Direnzo. well, you can see a huge difference in the quality of the coal now, as the new stuff sits next to it. My new load of coal was all shiney, and looked like glass! Maybe that is why they call the stuff "Black Diamonds" if I am correct on that... I could clearly see that I had some bad coal from Direnzo, no questions asked. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure this one out, really..
New coal, old coal.... My new load of coal is burning great! I turned the draft down, and I get more heat from this stuff. What a big difference good coal can make. My ashes are falling into the ash pan, and the ash is powder, with very little cinder. No clinkers to break apart either!!
Now, the big cost difference... Only $5.00 per ton difference, between my October load, and this last load in Feb.
I emailed the Direnzo Company from the homepage they have online, and have not heard a word back from them. That is fine, I will not deal with these folks ever again.
In the long run, you will pay more for cheap, bad coal, than if you spend the little extra, and buy the better stuff. In my case that is a fact.
I just wanted to share my little experience with the Direnzo Coal Company with all of you here. Maybe you have a stoker, and you get good results from burning the coal they sell. My experience has been a bad one...
Thank You!
northernberkspa
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: Mark II

Re: Direnzo Pea Coal Quality

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:38 pm

Welcome to the forum, and thanks for posting your story.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Direnzo Pea Coal Quality

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:45 pm

I have used direnzo in my stoker, and for me it's seems good, less clinkers . My old neighbor uses it in his stoker and really likes it, said the other type he had was nothing but clinkers,he has been burning coal longer than I have been breathing air. I hear they have a mixture, I notice some is not as shiny throught, harder coal, more clinkers. This is my 1st season burning and I have used south tamaqua ,and their coal seems good also, I have more clinkers with theirs, not really a big problem. I have say that direnzo has a very clean breaker, scale area.
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Re: Direnzo Pea Coal Quality

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:56 pm

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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Direnzo Pea Coal Quality

PostBy: northernberkspa On: Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:43 am

AA130FIREMAN wrote:I have used direnzo in my stoker, and for me it's seems good, less clinkers . My old neighbor uses it in his stoker and really likes it, said the other type he had was nothing but clinkers,he has been burning coal longer than I have been breathing air. I hear they have a mixture, I notice some is not as shiny throught, harder coal, more clinkers. This is my 1st season burning and I have used south tamaqua ,and their coal seems good also, I have more clinkers with theirs, not really a big problem. I have say that direnzo has a very clean breaker, scale area.


Now the difference may be that you, and your neighbor, both use this coal in "stokers", as for me, it's a hand fired stove. With a stoker, you fill the hopper, and take the full ash can away. The worm that feeds the coal fire, as well as the worm that takes the ash out of the stove, do all the work. You would not notice how hard the ash is, until your ash worm snaps a bolt off. But do you get good heat from your coal from Direnzo? Do you notice any difference at all, in how much you use, compared to the south tamaqua?
I know my coal man had said that quite a few people like the coal he gets from Direnzo, but they all have stokers!
Do you burn pea in your stoker, or do you use a smaller coal like rice, etc.? I would think that the smaller you go, the less problems you would have. Mind you, that is just a guess, as I would think that even if some coal shale was mixed in, you would not notice it as much. The only thing you may notice, is less heat from the coal.
I have been burning coal now for about 7 years. I have had experience with coal, ever since I was young, as my parents had a large monster of a coal stove, until the early 1990's. They then switched to oil, because it was easier, due to them getting older. That old stove looked like an octopus!
Stokers compared to hand fired stoves burn differently. A friend of mine said that his coal man gets the best coal around, so one year I had him deliver me a few ton. Same deal, it was really bad stuff for my hand fired stove. So much, that I gave him a sample, and they checked it out, and sent me a refund. But, that coal must burn good in stokers!
Stokers have blowers that blow air into the fire.. Is this correct? If so, then maybe that may be some of the difference as well, making it burn the coal shale down to a more crumbly like substance that may not be as noticeable. In the hand fired stoves, the air is more or less just sucked in, and not forced into the fire. Whatever the difference is, I know I need the good stuff. It just makes life easier in the long run. More heat, and less fighting with the ashes.
Okay, I'm done... Thanks Again!
northernberkspa
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: Mark II

Re: Direnzo Pea Coal Quality

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:52 am

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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Direnzo Pea Coal Quality

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:18 am

The coal I use is pea size, my stoker has a fan draft inducer. My neighbor used reading rice and did not like it. I had taken care of a losch stoker in the 80's early 90's that burned rice( I know the man who delivered the coal, he swares by south tamaqua, the further East, the harder the coal he claimed ) I have used both and don't notice much difference in heat, seems like I have more clinkers with the tamaqua. As far as hand fired, I have seen Blaushak, and the white ash is very fine like baby powder from stove size,nice stuff :D . I read the white ash is harder to keep going and less heat ? Their may well be better coal out there,but in my case the direnzo seems fine. I am still open to try some other brands, I pick up my own so the drive is a consideration.
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Stove/Furnace Make: axeman anderson
Stove/Furnace Model: 130 anthratube

Re: Direnzo Pea Coal Quality

PostBy: New Hope Engineer On: Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:08 pm

northernberkspa wrote:In October, I had gotten a load of Pea coal, that came from the Direnzo Coal Company. I had gotten a total of 6.25 tons at this time. When wet, the coal looked fine, but as it dried off, you could see plenty of dull looking stuff mixed in. After I began to burn this stuff, it did something that I could not remember happening with any other coal I have ever burned.. It snapped, it crackled, and flew out of the stove at me!! This stuff was nasty. I have a Harman Mark II, and everyday I would get these little chips of coal, laying on the inside ledge of the door. They became a mess, falling onto the floor, and ledge of where the ash pan door is. Always having to sweep up these tiny chipped off pieces of broken coal, on a daily basis.
The heat from this coal was not as hot as any other winter I had burned coal. I had to open my draft more, and the burn time was way lower too. Simply put, I had a load of bad quality coal this time. Lots of coal shale, or rock, whatever you want to call it... It was simply just poor quality.
Ashes were another problem. I had such a bad time raking my ashes, I had to put a pipe wrench onto the raker bar handle to help break up the hard clinkers that formed. At one point, I even banged at it with a hammer, it was so bad. I thought maybe I was just burning wrong or something... so I kind of accepted it, and burned this rock coal all winter.
Not until I had to get another load of coal, did I realize that my load from Direnzo in October, was Bad Coal. I had to get more coal to make it through the winter, as my first load was now all but burned up. I maybe have approximately a 1/2 ton left of this junk from Direnzo. well, you can see a huge difference in the quality of the coal now, as the new stuff sits next to it. My new load of coal was all shiney, and looked like glass! Maybe that is why they call the stuff "Black Diamonds" if I am correct on that... I could clearly see that I had some bad coal from Direnzo, no questions asked. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure this one out, really..
New coal, old coal.... My new load of coal is burning great! I turned the draft down, and I get more heat from this stuff. What a big difference good coal can make. My ashes are falling into the ash pan, and the ash is powder, with very little cinder. No clinkers to break apart either!!
Now, the big cost difference... Only $5.00 per ton difference, between my October load, and this last load in Feb.
I emailed the Direnzo Company from the homepage they have online, and have not heard a word back from them. That is fine, I will not deal with these folks ever again.
In the long run, you will pay more for cheap, bad coal, than if you spend the little extra, and buy the better stuff. In my case that is a fact.
I just wanted to share my little experience with the Direnzo Coal Company with all of you here. Maybe you have a stoker, and you get good results from burning the coal they sell. My experience has been a bad one...
Thank You!

be careful with the pipe wrench and hammer you dont want to break any parts on your stove :o
i am burning coal from the tamaqua area (LCN) and have no problems at all with the coal. ;)
i cant comment on direnzo coal since i have not burned any yet.if i get a chance to get over that way before spring i will try it and post my results.
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Stove/Furnace Make: RUSSO
Stove/Furnace Model: CW-2

Re: Direnzo Pea Coal Quality

PostBy: northernberkspa On: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:47 pm

Well, I got a reply from the Direnzo Company, and they seem to have solved the problem without even looking at this coal, or testing it!!

Here is what was emailed to me:

Thanks for contacting us. We have reviewed your information provided below. We have not had any other complaints about our product. From the information you provided, we beleive that some type of additive or anti-freeze was added to the coal prior to use. Did you use any such substance? If so, please note the warning provided on our weight certificate. Such substances decrease combustion efficiency. As for the cracking or popping of coal..if you store coal outside...we advise that the coal be warmed, thawed, and dried prior to adding to the furnace. We hope this addresses your issues. Please contact us with any further questions or comments.

DiRenzo Coal Co.
Pottsville, PA

Funny thing though.... my new load of coal, does not jump out of the fire at me, and it is in the same coal bin outside, just as wet and cold as the junk Direnzo coal. At the price of antifreeze, why would anyone add this to coal? Like I emailed back, I'll have the stuff tested at a lab somewhere. This guy seems to be saying that either my coal man, or I added something to the coal...
What a company....

Thanks for letting me share this!
northernberkspa
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: Mark II

Re: Direnzo Pea Coal Quality

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:33 pm

if you store coal outside...we advise that the coal be warmed, thawed, and dried prior to adding to the furnace.


The nut coal from UAE Harmony that I burn in the Harman is stored outside on the patio, under a plastic tarp. It is cold and wet, if it isn't wet I spray it with water to keep the dust down as I fill the stove. I have no such problems.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

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