Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

Cast your for vote FOR/AGAINST the HC Bill

Poll ended at Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:10 pm

YES - I want that ObamaCare vill to become law
6
12%
NO- I don't want the the ObamaCare bill to become law
44
88%
 
Total votes : 50

Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: tvb On: Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:56 pm

I thought you guys were for less gov't subsidies and that is exactly what At&T was getting and now won't be:

AT&T previously received a tax-free benefit from the government to subsidize health-care costs for retirees, who would otherwise be on a Medicare Part D plan. Under the new bill, AT&T will no longer be able to deduct that subsidy.


I didn't know tax free subsidies to big business were the way you small time Republicans liked to roll. I now know that gov't subsides are great when they go to big businesses but gee, offer one to an individual and you fools think the world is going to end.

By the way, the source of the above quote - the very non-liberal bloomberg news group. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... 5ro0&pos=2
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:02 pm

Gee,I wonder how many jobs that will take overseas,along w/ Cat. & the others--subsidies that keep big companies here,I believe are a horse of a different color--at least in my world
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:09 pm

Hey TVB what does that stand for? I can think of a few.... by the way, Bill Maher called, he wants to come over with Jenine Garafalo and smoke some pot with you.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: tvb On: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:35 pm

freetown fred wrote:Gee,I wonder how many jobs that will take overseas,along w/ Cat. & the others--subsidies that keep big companies here,I believe are a horse of a different color--at least in my world


In other countries, they won't have to pay for health care costs at all. Just about every industrialized nation in the world provides it for their citizens, except us. Health care costs are usually the largest expense any company has - large or small. Can you blame them for moving and wanting to eliminate that expense?

Dann757 wrote:Hey TVB what does that stand for? I can think of a few.... by the way, Bill Maher called, he wants to come over with Jenine Garafalo and smoke some pot with you.


I'm sorry if that's the best you can come up with. Maybe some pot would be better for you to jog some brain cells loose so you can put together a cogent thought or two. It is interesting however, that you think it's okay for you to pay taxes (assuming you pay at least a few dollars but since you work in what is probably a mostly cash business, you probably don't pay any taxes at all - in fact, you probably get tax credits with a refund of monies you never even paid into the system) yet large companies that compensate their management very nicely get millions in tax breaks.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:38 pm

tvb wrote:
In other countries, they won't have to pay for health care costs at all.


Money Tree?
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:44 pm

TVB once again you bring out the worst in me. My accountant handles my taxes. I'm not going to take the liberty of making personal assumptions about your tax status, since I don't know what the rules are regarding frustrated menopausal idle housewives.
Maybe if your Messiah had a realistic jobs agenda I and millions of other citizens would be too busy working to spend as much time as you do spewing liberal vitriol on a coal club forum.
You have revealed an increasingly viscious attitude that goes beyond ideology into the realm of evil.
Your Avatar itself is offensive; and it it is absolutely incomprehensible that you use a disparaging remark against human beings with the congenital defect of Down Syndrome in your signature. This reveals your character to an extent that no amount of opinionating could compare to.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: tvb On: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:49 pm

Menopausal? Not quite yet. In the meantime, I really like watching your head explode.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:06 pm

It's funny how the companies are doing a charge off but yet the employees are the ones paying for the premiums. There is no company loosing money on the new health care bill, the only way that they could be loosing money on insurance premiums would be the insurance that is provided to the upper 1% of these companies, ooh now I get it, sorry I'm a bit slow, on second thought I'm not slow, I'm smart and I know what I know, like I said back door deals to have the upper 1% or what ever of there management staff have paid insurance. In my company we don't work that way, we all pay the same, we all drink from the same well, and I don't have to say I'm taking a write off. I hope more comes to light with regards to this and other statements made by the so called big guys in business.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:29 pm

I didn't realize that an Avatar could have an effect on others here, strange. But hey I like to play too so I changed my own Avatar.

Health Care YES!

I'm a Republican that voted Democrat, you know why, because I can!

You still have a 401K? You didn't withdraw it to buy a house and cash in on 8 grand worth of tax write off? What the hells wrong with ya?

Man you guys really need to talk to a tax man or something sheesh.

oops sorry it took me so long to write and edit this I was firing up the water pipe, good *censored* man!
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:36 pm

jeromemsn wrote:It's funny how the companies are doing a charge off but yet the employees are the ones paying for the premiums. There is no company loosing money on the new health care bill, the only way that they could be loosing money on insurance premiums would be the insurance that is provided to the upper 1% of these companies, ooh now I get it, sorry I'm a bit slow, on second thought I'm not slow, I'm smart and I know what I know, like I said back door deals to have the upper 1% or what ever of there management staff have paid insurance. In my company we don't work that way, we all pay the same, we all drink from the same well, and I don't have to say I'm taking a write off. I hope more comes to light with regards to this and other statements made by the so called big guys in business.


Companies will be required to pay 76% of the premium. Right now my company only pays 54%. Given the choice, will they eat 22% or drop coverage?

And then they have to pay for an "approved" government plan. My plan is 90/10 right now. Will that be approved? No idea. But if not, do you think they will opt for a more expensive plan, or fill up the building they bought in Mexico two years ago that is already doing some of the work we used to do?

I don't mind that they removed subsidies from big business, but whacking them with extra costs on top of losing the subsidies is just a recipe for pulling stakes.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:21 pm

So we have to subsidize our jobs? Are we that bad at doing our jobs that we have to subsidize business to keep them here. As far as I'm concerned they can take a hike. My company does not take any subsidies, I do not ask the local government for tax abatement, What a joke. If everyone paid in tax what they are suppose to pay this country would have the most beautiful roads, art, parks, zoo's, but nope we have to subsidize business, go for it! businesses are leaving anyway no matter if you subsidize or not. It's not about subsidizing it's about a tax loop hole that allows one to do a nice big fat right off if you move back to this country and set up business again. It needs to all stop, pay the tax you owe so the country can function as it should. Maybe if business would pay there fair share of tax with no subsidies then the men and women in harms way could get a raise befitting there duties
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:30 pm

Businesses don't pay taxes. People do.

I don't know what your company does, but if they take the tax break for providing health insurance, guess what, they got a subsidy.

It's not about paying a "fair share" it's about government living within its means. Like a person is supposed to.

Some people like to demonize an individual because they spent beyond their means and "caused" the housing crisis but they don't seem to have the same attitude toward government which has spent beyond the means of the entire country and bankrupted generations not yet born.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:38 pm

tvb wrote:I thought you guys were for less gov't subsidies and that is exactly what At&T was getting and now won't be:

AT&T previously received a tax-free benefit from the government to subsidize health-care costs for retirees, who would otherwise be on a Medicare Part D plan. Under the new bill, AT&T will no longer be able to deduct that subsidy.


I didn't know tax free subsidies to big business were the way you small time Republicans liked to roll. I now know that gov't subsides are great when they go to big businesses but gee, offer one to an individual and you fools think the world is going to end.

By the way, the source of the above quote - the very non-liberal bloomberg news group. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... 5ro0&pos=2


Republicans don't like welfare for business unless it is a national security issue. The point here is that the government was paying either way under the old system as a result of Med D. Now the burden falls on the business. The benefit was the result of socialism (Republican induced or not) and it's wrong. Now the burden shifts to the business from the more general Medicare taxes and income. The business will have to act strategically to survive.

The result will be reduced quality care (aka rationing) which is the opposite of what Obama said would happen, aka
"Obama lied".
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:02 am

tvb wrote:
AT&T previously received a tax-free benefit from the government to subsidize health-care costs for retirees, who would otherwise be on a Medicare Part D plan. Under the new bill, AT&T will no longer be able to deduct that subsidy.


I didn't know tax free subsidies to big business were the way you small time Republicans liked to roll. I now know that gov't subsides are great when they go to big businesses but gee, offer one to an individual and you fools think the world is going to end.


After a little research..... Firstly it's not just AT&T but many, many companies that were receiving this subsidy. The subsidy was given to entice companies to keep their own coverage and not dump them on Medicare D. In other words they were receiving a subsidy and absorbing the rest of the cost. What is going to happen now since the subsidy is lost is lot of these companies will drop the coverage. The federal governement will now have to pick up the whole tab.

Here's a letter written to Reid and Pelosi back in December sent by companies like Boeing, Caterpillar, Verizon....:


http://www.americanbenefitscouncil.org/ ... 121109.pdf

Taxing the subsidy means that more companies will eliminate or reduce the coverage, and more retirees will shift to Medicare Part D, which will create more cost for both the government and the retirees. If more companies than predicted by the Government Accountability Office shift away from coverage, then the provision could result in a net revenue loss rather than the predicted slight revenue gain.


The first big chunk of savings in the CBO estimate disappears like magic. 10... 20... 100 Billion right there?
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:21 am

tvb wrote:I thought you guys were for less gov't subsidies and that is exactly what At&T was getting and now won't be:

AT&T previously received a tax-free benefit from the government to subsidize health-care costs for retirees, who would otherwise be on a Medicare Part D plan. Under the new bill, AT&T will no longer be able to deduct that subsidy.


I didn't know tax free subsidies to big business were the way you small time Republicans liked to roll. I now know that gov't subsides are great when they go to big businesses but gee, offer one to an individual and you fools think the world is going to end.

By the way, the source of the above quote - the very non-liberal bloomberg news group. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... 5ro0&pos=2


Everyone takes subsidies. If you take a deduction on your taxes, you just got a subsidy.
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