Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

Cast your for vote FOR/AGAINST the HC Bill

Poll ended at Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:10 pm

YES - I want that ObamaCare vill to become law
6
12%
NO- I don't want the the ObamaCare bill to become law
44
88%
 
Total votes : 50

Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:05 am

Who is John Galt?
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:15 am

My question is this, the CBO and HHS analysis back in... was it November? ... indicated that this bill would not lower costs for those already paying into the system (those people that actually support the system). In fact the HHS analysis indicated that projected costs might actually go up for those already supporting the system. I haven't heard a peep about how this is going to help Joe down the street that already has escalating health care costs that they can no longer afford... I'll assume th reson for that is it won't and in fact this bill willl intentionally drive them onto the government tit.

November cannot come soon enough.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Paulie On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:52 am

For true reform and cost savings to happen the INSURANCE industry needs to be out of the health care business. Because
BOTH political parties are in bed with them, it will take some time.
I love the buzz phrases of the industry. Tort Reform !! That one is the best. Let's take away the consumers only recourse
against the Insurance Industry, that way they can sink it up our butts as far as they choose! Price Transparency !! Another
misnomer. Providers are jacking pricing to cover the uninsured and hedge against the insurance co chiseling of the bill. If they
actually charged what it was worth, they would be gone, because INS pays almost .50 on the dollar!
I realize that most of the people here are against the Gov getting involved in Health Care and for good reason. But I must
tell you all, as a self employed business man, the larger evil is Insurance. If you are employed by a large company, you are OK.
You will continue to pay more and more of the load, but because of the volume, Insurance co will cut a better deal. Small Business? God help you and the USA because small business is the engine that powers this country and small business is getting
the SHAFT under the current system. As far as dead beats getting care and not paying in......is really so bad to make them pay
SOMETHING? I am tired of paying for them, how about you? As a society, we are not willing to watch people die on the side of
the road, not a bad thing, but they should PAY.
So sit tight, hang on and lets see where it goes. It is always darkest before the dawn!
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:01 am

just looking at these results,I have a feeling we pretty well cover the pulse of America in general,so I gotta ask,why do we pay these bastards so much money to represent us :( Maybe the majority on this website are just a bunch of ignorant hillbillies toothy What a pathetic place this country has become--the wealthy don't give a damn & the middle class might as well be invisible---the fat lady hasen't sung on this one yet,I don't think :?:Why tackle the illegal immigration problem,O.B.s got alot of votes in that sector
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:05 am

As far as dead beats getting care and not paying in......is really so bad to make them pay
SOMETHING? I am tired of paying for them, how about you?

You pay for my healthcare Paulie? That;s funny because I haven;t received a dime from anyone -- I just pay & pay & pay -- WITH or WITHOUT insurance! :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: pvolcko On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:53 am

valley trash wrote:Wheres a Lee Harvey Oswald when you need one? :mad2:


I get that you're mad and frustrated, but that is way over the line.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:51 am

I'm listening to B. O. & the phrase that really sticks out amongst all the B S is "when this machine is up and running"all this wonderfulness will help all :?: :?: O.K. I'll bite,when might that be :?:
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: pvolcko On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:06 pm

Precisely 2 years after he's out of office, just in case it doesn't actually turn out the way they claimed. That way they'll have 2 years of cover under a different administration and X number of years under a different congressional power structure on which to blame the failure. :)

Actually, he's basically claiming that in 4 years time the law will be in full effect and that's when you get to start running the clock on measuring things. This is, of course, shinola of the highest order. More or less immediately a number of radical changes will be put in place:

1) All health care policies will be forced to cover preventative care costs. This effectively eliminates high deductible, low premium policies. Given this is federal mandate, this is essentially a new tax on everyone who had a high deductible plan who now has to pay much higher premiums for a health insurance plan. The idea here is that more people paying high premiums will lower the per person premiums. Good for some, grossly unfair to others, including those businesses that utilized such plans to great effect and high employee satisfaction, such as that Whole Foods grocery chain that made the news last year. There is also ample evidence through studies of all kinds that increased preventative care is not a cost saver, since unnecessary preventative care ends up costing more than it would have to pay for things as they come up (also false positive diagnosis causes waste of resources and money).

2) Health savings accounts will now have a new, lower maximum cap of $2500 dollars. These accounts allowed for tax free saving of money that could only use used for out of pocket health care costs (co-pays, deductibles, uncovered office visits, etc.). These kind of go hand in hand with #1 since those that put big bucks in them tended to be on higher deductible plans.

3) No denial for prior existing conditions. While perhaps a moral good, it is absolutely a net loser for insurance companies and their current policy holders in terms of necessary premium increases.

4) Health insurance company executive deferred compensation packages are capped at $500k. This is unprecedented outside of the recent interventions in the car, bank, and general insurance industries, particularly without a "bailout" at play in this case. This will lead to good CEOs and business persons seeking employment outside of the health insurance industry, hurting the companies, the employees, and the insurees over time. Not to mention it is a gross violation of private enterprise.

5) No dropping people off a policy, including no lifetime caps on payout amounts. Similar to #3 this may be a moral good, but it is going to cost money to premium payors. Many people prefer to get plans with lifetime caps as a means to get lower premiums, no longer an option. I'm also unsure how it is going to work if a person already has a plan that has caps or has aplan that doesn't cover some condition they develop (say something like psychological treatment). ... oh wait...

6) All plans have to cover a myriad of services, many of which make no sense for certain genders or lifestyles (for instance, people who don't drink alcohol). While this may make sense for family plans, individual plans which cover all these items is wasteful to the point of view of the insuree and is, again, essentially a tax on those people designed to subsidize those who need those services covered.

7) Premium rate increases will now reviewed and under the direct control of HHS, even on private plans and those outside the exchange. Again, an unprecedented intrusion into the private enterprise and one which will, if exercised, lead directly to all the ill effect of price controlling that we've seen play out over and over again in the past.

And that's just for starters...

We will not need to wait for 4 years to see the effects of this bill and we will not be waiting until then before we start paying attention and marking things pro or con in the ledger of review for this congress or this President.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:34 pm

4274 people are registered on this forum.....44 voted against said bill......6 voted for said bill......I didn't vote on this forum for or against the bill because I think they could of stopped squawking like school girls on a high school playing field that wanted to get noticed and did some business for the country! Why are they trying to imitate the British???? I remember the days of when they first started broadcasting cspan...might be three people there in the whole place..............same goes now unless it's supposed to be a big deal...........I thought anything they got there hands on was a big deal????

So 50 people voted and thats the pulse of the country???? I would say if thats the case then the people don't give a damn either way and the pulse better keep.....better keep.... I guess the pulse better keep doing what it's doing.

I would like to see a poll put together asking how many of the 50 people that voted in this forums poll called there congress man and told them how to vote!

I hope they put an option in so that those that have the bucks and don't want the health care of the country can bail and pay there own way.

I still have not seen anyone here or any where else that could Show me in writing what is bad about the bill???? $500,000.00 cap on the top job for health czar, thank god somebody thought forward instead of backward. If you want to pay him more send him a check, just don't put my name on it.

AS far as the health care cap of $2,500.00 instead of the 5gs it once was ....thats a good thing less money for the gambling insurance companies to loose and then turn around and jack up rates so they can give you your own money back.....aka AIG

I know one thing for sure, my employees have the best insurance my money and there money can buy. I show my employees exactly how much it cost for there insurance.....I do not let the insurance company show them I did that once...what a bunch of liars they are............jiggle the numbers so that the employees pay more than the employer but they map it out so that the employer looks as though he is paying more so that the employee says wow what a great employer, Oh and I don't get my personal insurance for free for my family the way most employers do just because I let a certain insurance company come in. Good scam I just wasn't into it.

Y'all good old boys best wake up and smell the s##t the reason some didn't want things to change is because they liked ripping people off as much as the insurance companies.......what the hell, why does an insurance company have a Nascar race car anyway??? thats 10 million that could of went to save your wife, son, daughter, mother, brother or for some concubine, but they didn't use it for that they used it to wreck some sheet metal.....that ten million was paid with premium money it didn't come from the thin air you fellas are breathing.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:46 pm

jeromemsn wrote:4274 people are registered on this forum.....44 voted against said bill......6 voted for said bill......I didn't vote on this forum for or against the bill because I think they could of stopped squawking like school girls on a high school playing field that wanted to get noticed and did some business for the country! Why are they trying to imitate the British???? I remember the days of when they first started broadcasting cspan...might be three people there in the whole place..............same goes now unless it's supposed to be a big deal...........I thought anything they got there hands on was a big deal????

So 50 people voted and thats the pulse of the country???? I would say if thats the case then the people don't give a damn either way and the pulse better keep.....better keep.... I guess the pulse better keep doing what it's doing.

I would like to see a poll put together asking how many of the 50 people that voted in this forums poll called there congress man and told them how to vote!

I hope they put an option in so that those that have the bucks and don't want the health care of the country can bail and pay there own way.

I still have not seen anyone here or any where else that could Show me in writing what is bad about the bill???? $500,000.00 cap on the top job for health czar, thank god somebody thought forward instead of backward. If you want to pay him more send him a check, just don't put my name on it.

AS far as the health care cap of $2,500.00 instead of the 5gs it once was ....thats a good thing less money for the gambling insurance companies to loose and then turn around and jack up rates so they can give you your own money back.....aka AIG

I know one thing for sure, my employees have the best insurance my money and there money can buy. I show my employees exactly how much it cost for there insurance.....I do not let the insurance company show them I did that once...what a bunch of liars they are............jiggle the numbers so that the employees pay more than the employer but they map it out so that the employer looks as though he is paying more so that the employee says wow what a great employer, Oh and I don't get my personal insurance for free for my family the way most employers do just because I let a certain insurance company come in. Good scam I just wasn't into it.

Y'all good old boys best wake up and smell the s##t the reason some didn't want things to change is because they liked ripping people off as much as the insurance companies.......what the hell, why does an insurance company have a Nascar race car anyway??? thats 10 million that could of went to save your wife, son, daughter, mother, brother or for some concubine, but they didn't use it for that they used it to wreck some sheet metal.....that ten million was paid with premium money it didn't come from the thin air you fellas are breathing.


Jerome, you couldn't be more un-American. The essence of the Constitution is to provide a framework for Government to do the business it needs to do to provide opportunity and security for the US as a whole, NOT as individuals. The governments that do that are known as socialist or communist nations. This nation is a republic. Democrats are wrong on this and other issues like this. The wrongs have been going on for over one hundred years. It started with the income tax amendment.

You are trying to impose your false morality using other people's money....F you, buddy.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:53 pm

Good lord ...... Jerome, did you misspell your location? I believe it should be MA, not MI. You sir, are what's fundamentally wrong with America. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:56 pm

Show me!!!! and thanks for the F!!k you I enjoyed it
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:14 pm

Yeah, Jerome, never mind the substance, that would require too much thinking on your part.

Robin Hood was immensely popular with the people but he remained a hood.....and for those of you who don't know what that is, that means THIEF. And, thieves are also known as criminals of the state in a republic.

Is Obama like Robin Hood? He robs from the rich to give to the poor. Yes he is like Robin Hood, because "yes, he can" under the socialist mantra of "yes, we can". Be he isn't being stopped for his crime, is he?

Therefore, we don't have a republic anymore, do we?

Thanks to people like you, Jerome, for that.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:16 pm

Now let's play nice. :)

pvolcko wrote:4) Health insurance company executive deferred compensation packages are capped at $500k. This is unprecedented outside of the recent interventions in the car, bank, and general insurance industries, particularly without a "bailout" at play in this case


That is the first I heard of this. The banking and car caps... well that was borderline however now you're telling a private coporation what they pay their execs? Here's the trouble with this, no one is going to care because it's the big exec. But it's just like the rest of these laws, no one is going to be bitching until it's their pay scale being limited.

jeromemsn wrote:So 50 people voted and thats the pulse of the country????


No poll is ever going to be accurate and certainly the polls on topics like this here are going to have a republican/independent bias but that should tell you something... Bring on November. :)
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:18 pm

Richard S. wrote:Now let's play nice. :)


We have been playing nice for one hundred years and this is what it got us.

No more nice. I shall give no quarter to socialist democrats.

If you want me off the board...I'll go peacefully.

I truly mean no offense to your purposes here, Richard.
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