Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

Cast your for vote FOR/AGAINST the HC Bill

Poll ended at Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:10 pm

YES - I want that ObamaCare vill to become law
6
12%
NO- I don't want the the ObamaCare bill to become law
44
88%
 
Total votes : 50

Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:13 pm

I keep hearing mentioned but nobody knows where
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: brckwlt On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:15 pm

jeromemsn wrote:I keep hearing mentioned but nobody knows where



the new taxes start on page 317 paragraph 2. then they are scattered throughout for the next 1,617 pages
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:17 pm

jeromemsn wrote:I keep hearing mentioned but nobody knows where


Oh for God's sake, we have been discussing and posting references for months and now you want a review? Get off your dead butt, read, and stop listening to CNN.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:19 pm

2.9 % tax on medical devices.

A Massachusetts company stated on the radio today they will lose millions, may move jobs overseas, lay off workers, or reduce research and development.

Suck on the last part for a while and let it sink in.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:20 pm

I'm thinking of moving my own business overseas
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: brckwlt On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:21 pm

jeromemsn wrote:I'm thinking of moving my own business overseas


that might help you save some money. Not a bad business idea :idea:
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:24 pm

jeromemsn wrote:I'm thinking of moving my own business overseas



But why, when it's so wonderfully moral and fair to the uninsured and so inexpensive to the rich? <sarcasm intended>

I guess you are just going to drop your turd and leave the room.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:24 pm

Here Black and Blue this is what I got a hit on

http://www.shopfloor.org/2010/03/the-en ... cent/11196
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:59 pm

Black and Blue I have used every seach key work you had in your post about the Mass. company loosing millions that was supposed to of been posted today. This is what I came up with.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:11 am

It was on the Radio.

Reading is fundamental.

Besides, it's obvious your a looter of Liberty, have a nice trip.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:44 am

Black&blue, from what I`ve found so far(& there could be more to it either way) there is a 2.3% tax but there is also added tax credits & extended patent rights protection. The tax is on both domestic & imported goods but they claim that it will be offset by there being more demand with the added # of insured. Like with anything the 2.3% will be paid by the consumer with the at least 10% cost hike all manufacturers will claim but thats just to be expected.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:26 am

samhill wrote: ...but they claim that it will be offset by there being more demand with the added # of insured.


Those people would have insurance if they could afford it which brings us back to square one. I still haven't seen anything that indicates this bill tackles the cost of healthcare which is the fundamental problem to begin with. I keep hearing we're doing this, we're doing that... we're giving people insurance that never had it before. All of those things cost money. My question is, where does the money come from if the costs continue to escalate. I have yet to see any cost analysis for those that are paying into and supporting the system now such as the November analysis from the CBO and HHS that indicated this bill would do nothing for those already paying into the system and could in fact increase them. The CBO analysis predicted a small increase for some and the HHS analysis indicated an increase for a larger percentage.

I'll guess over the next few weeks we'll get a better picture and I'll also guess it's not going to be too rosy. Mark my words...
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:36 am

I think I know where the money will come from--us people that are already paying for it---cost reduction,which I also thought this was about??I don't believe that will happen---If this bill is a sample of what DildoBama has been talking about w/ transparancy through his a_ss about. I surely don't see it or understand it--Now I'm totally disqusted :(
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:26 am

We are already paying for the ones that can`t afford it thru taxes, perhaps this is going to help keep them out of the expensive ER.s when given the chance for regular care. Either way the tax is going to pay for the slugs but it might save a few $.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:37 am

samhill wrote:We are already paying for the ones that can`t afford it thru taxes, perhaps this is going to help keep them out of the expensive ER.s when given the chance for regular care. Either way the tax is going to pay for the slugs but it might save a few $.


Fine, but again still haven't heard where this bill addresses the escalating costs to those paying into the system now. So now we have an extra 30 million with escalating costs on top of those that already have insurance.

I've been saying it from the beginning of this debate, without addressing the costs involved we aren't reforming anything. If the costs didn't go through the roof over the last 2 decades we wouldn't be having this debate at all. To address the costs we need a couple of fundamental changes.

  • Competition in the insurance industry
  • Tort Reform
  • Administrative cost reforms

....and no government run insurance does not count as competition in the insurance industry because they have absolutely no incentive to keep costs down when they can just reach into your pocket book to pay for whatever the hell they feel like.
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