Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

Cast your for vote FOR/AGAINST the HC Bill

Poll ended at Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:10 pm

YES - I want that ObamaCare vill to become law
6
12%
NO- I don't want the the ObamaCare bill to become law
44
88%
 
Total votes : 50

Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:10 pm

Lets see how the members of NEPA feel about ObamaCare
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:55 pm

Congressional Budget Office expects the IRS will need roughly $10 billion over the next 10 years and nearly 17,000 new employees to meet its new responsibilities under health reform.


Yeah...um....no thanks.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:05 pm

Any congressman who votes for this bill should be immediately investigated and have charges brought against them. They should also lose all executive privileges for life. They should also be thrown on a ship and sent to some other country and not allowed to even communicate with anyone from this country. I VOTED NO!!! :x :x :x
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:42 am

I'm getting big time deja-vu ...... the federal government is using tactics that the MA state government has been using for years.

So basically, they are going to turn the entire country into a political MA. Once this healthcare *censored* gets shoved up our collective asses, just wait -- you ain't seen nuthin' yet. They'll feel invincible & pass all kinds of bullshit laws that will cost you tons of money, & then set up more social programs to take care of the whole world ... also at your expense. Why bother to work? :sick: :mad:
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:30 am

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/health-plan.htm

So you don't like the health Care bill.......Do you like your insurance the way it is now? Do you like that your insurance company now does exactly the same thing that the health care bill does?

Doesn't your insurance company now say yes or no to what kind of coverage you get and what that coverage will pay for?

Believe what you must.

I believe that a better Health care plan could of been written, and will be adopted later than sooner. but as of right now the health care bill does just about the same as any insurance company does to any of it's policy holders.

Nope, I didn't vote yea or nay in this poll because like I said I'm looking for something even better, I'm looking for a "non profit health Care bill" where hospital staff get paid what they should get paid and paper pushers get paid what they should be paid
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: beemerboy On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:18 pm

Just asking .....

Over the last few months I've read/heard that the government is taking over your/our health care and as many people that I asked no one has been able to point to any specific section that demonstrates that happening.

I've read that with these reforms you won't be able to keep your doctor and the gov't will tell you who you could see, but, no one can point to a section that actually says that.

I'm on Medicare and I can see any doctor including specialists with out any "pre-qualification" requirements. When I was on "company insurance" there were more restrictions than I have now. Where in the bill would this change.

I've heard that it will take away your freedoms. But no one has been able to tell me how.

Again, Just asking ...
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: pvolcko On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:46 pm

jeromemsn wrote:So you don't like the health Care bill.......Do you like your insurance the way it is now? Do you like that your insurance company now does exactly the same thing that the health care bill does? Doesn't your insurance company now say yes or no to what kind of coverage you get and what that coverage will pay for?


Okay, for the sake of argument, lets accept your assertions here. Who would you rather have to deal with when something is denied? You health insurance company or your government? Keep in mind there are lots of protections for you when it comes to dealing with your insurance company and there is significant incentive for your government to act on your behalf in regulating the insurance company and protecting citizens against abuses. Not so on both counts when dealing with the government. It is much more difficult to sue the government, much less question their decisions and policies. Once the government is so closely involved in the provision of health insurance and health care services, the incentives for them to be your advocate as opposed to an advocate for the government employees, the policies they put in place, and the system they have set up and operate become inverted.


Beemerboy, the government is entwining itself deep into the health care system. As Harry Reid (I think it was him) said recently, with this bill they are going to control the health insurance industry. (I tried to find a link, but I can not find the quote, it popped up in the last couple days). They are putting themselves in charge of what policies qualify as being good enough. They are becoming far stronger arbiters of what procedures and tests should be used in a given situation. They are picking winners and losers by choosing which policies get put on the proposed exchange.

While you may be lucky enough to already have a doctor that accepts medicare patients, there has been a growing trend in doctors denying new medicare patients which this bill is almost assuredly going to exacerbate.

It takes away freedom by compelling for the first time in US history the purchase of a service. It taxes, I mean takes, away freedom by putting in place a mountain of new taxation to pay for it (largest tax increase in US history, over $500 billion, last record was under Clinton at $200something billion) while also cutting a mountain of medicare funding to make up the difference (which they will quickly reduce by about half via the "doc fix", thus increasing the deficit and requiring more taxation at some point to make up). It takes away freedom by further proscribing what insurance policies are available to you to contract with. It takes away freedom by promising to further proscribe what treatments and tests you and your doctor have available to you under any number of insurance plans, including medicare. It takes away freedom by setting us well on the way to further encroachments on the health care delivery system, including potentially the setting of wages for doctors, nurses, administrative staff, and any number of other health care related jobs (as is found in many universal health care programs in other countries). As stated above in my reply to Jeromemsn, it takes away freedom by becoming a greater part of the system, thus limiting (and making more difficult) options for redress of grievances. This intrinsically turns the power of government to act on its own behalf in the execution of its system, as opposed to being an outside regulator of the market system, swayable by lobbying efforts of all involved.

And remember this package they're voting on today also completes the nationalization of the student loan industry. More deficits, more intrusion, less ways out in the event of bankruptcy (student loans already being the hardest debts to break free of), more reduction in freedom, more control over education, more denial of market based profits, more pulling of the strings.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:01 pm

Pvolcko, I hate to say it but when I have a dispute about something that can't be cleared up with a sit down chat between the two parties I always do what an American must do and thats turn to the courts of the country to help. I don't care if it's the current insurance companies or the government insurance Medicare/Medicaid right is right and if the insurance company is negligent in any way they have to change/pay for there negligence. Also my wife has SSI disabled due to cancer and I must say they have treated her well and if there is a dispute they set up a time to go over said dispute with several doctors of both our choosing and we work things out and so far to a very good outcome. We do what they say when they say yes we do and no we do not have a problem with that since they pay the bills and we never worry. Do you have any idea how good it makes my wife feel to not have to worry about the expense of having cancer, that the bills are paid. I'm surprised at everyone anymore and the stand they are taking on our country "Would you like our country to be in control of this or that" and then on the next breath there saying "Support our troops" How can you support one and not the other? so you would send your sons and daughters into harms way for a government that you don't want to have there big nose involved in your health insurance? That makes since!
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:07 pm

Anticipate the unemployment rolls to increase on Monday if the bill passes.

I understand many small business will be terminating employees and scaling back rather than be fined.

Chew on that one.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:10 pm

I'm small business if it goes through as said I will be pleased my workers will pay less, I will pay less they get to go to the doctors and so will I. I'm still trying to figure out who looses except the ones that get paid for doing nothing.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:23 pm

beemerboy,you must have a real good secondary--or NY has a different Medicare for old farmers---I think something you might want to keep an eye on is where will Medicare be when your Grandkids reach that age.Just one old guys thoughts---Fred
beemerboy wrote:Just asking .....

Over the last few months I've read/heard that the government is taking over your/our health care and as many people that I asked no one has been able to point to any specific section that demonstrates that happening.

I've read that with these reforms you won't be able to keep your doctor and the gov't will tell you who you could see, but, no one can point to a section that actually says that.

I'm on Medicare and I can see any doctor including specialists with out any "pre-qualification" requirements. When I was on "company insurance" there were more restrictions than I have now. Where in the bill would this change.

I've heard that it will take away your freedoms. But no one has been able to tell me how.

Again, Just asking ...
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: brckwlt On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:34 pm

Do we have any results of the health care vote yet ... i cant find any results on the internet. I thought they were supposed to vote at six pm today? what gives
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:09 pm

brckwlt wrote:Do we have any results of the health care vote yet ... i cant find any results on the internet. I thought they were supposed to vote at six pm today? what gives


Word is a vote around 9:30
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:20 pm

Have had the live feed from CSPAN on for quite some time. Been checking in between chores.I've got to admit that this whole thing is strongly reminding me of the kangaroo court scene in the movie "Animal House". Nancy does bear a strong resemblance to Douglas Niedermier.
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Re: Cast your vote FOR/AGAINST the HC bill

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:24 pm

From John Boehner's office.

A Motion to Recommit is being worked on and will be presented.


http://www.rules.house.gov/archives/recommit_mot.htm
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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