jeromemsn wrote:So you don't like the health Care bill.......Do you like your insurance the way it is now? Do you like that your insurance company now does exactly the same thing that the health care bill does? Doesn't your insurance company now say yes or no to what kind of coverage you get and what that coverage will pay for?
Okay, for the sake of argument, lets accept your assertions here. Who would you rather have to deal with when something is denied? You health insurance company or your government? Keep in mind there are lots of protections for you when it comes to dealing with your insurance company and there is significant incentive for your government to act on your behalf in regulating the insurance company and protecting citizens against abuses. Not so on both counts when dealing with the government. It is much more difficult to sue the government, much less question their decisions and policies. Once the government is so closely involved in the provision of health insurance and health care services, the incentives for them to be your advocate as opposed to an advocate for the government employees, the policies they put in place, and the system they have set up and operate become inverted.
Beemerboy, the government is entwining itself deep into the health care system. As Harry Reid (I think it was him) said recently, with this bill they are going to control the health insurance industry. (I tried to find a link, but I can not find the quote, it popped up in the last couple days). They are putting themselves in charge of what policies qualify as being good enough. They are becoming far stronger arbiters of what procedures and tests should be used in a given situation. They are picking winners and losers by choosing which policies get put on the proposed exchange.
While you may be lucky enough to already have a doctor that accepts medicare patients, there has been a growing trend in doctors denying new medicare patients which this bill is almost assuredly going to exacerbate.
It takes away freedom by compelling for the first time in US history the purchase of a service. It taxes, I mean takes, away freedom by putting in place a mountain of new taxation to pay for it (largest tax increase in US history, over $500 billion, last record was under Clinton at $200something billion) while also cutting a mountain of medicare funding to make up the difference (which they will quickly reduce by about half via the "doc fix", thus increasing the deficit and requiring more taxation at some point to make up). It takes away freedom by further proscribing what insurance policies are available to you to contract with. It takes away freedom by promising to further proscribe what treatments and tests you and your doctor have available to you under any number of insurance plans, including medicare. It takes away freedom by setting us well on the way to further encroachments on the health care delivery system, including potentially the setting of wages for doctors, nurses, administrative staff, and any number of other health care related jobs (as is found in many universal health care programs in other countries). As stated above in my reply to Jeromemsn, it takes away freedom by becoming a greater part of the system, thus limiting (and making more difficult) options for redress of grievances. This intrinsically turns the power of government to act on its own behalf in the execution of its system, as opposed to being an outside regulator of the market system, swayable by lobbying efforts of all involved.
And remember this package they're voting on today also completes the nationalization of the student loan industry. More deficits, more intrusion, less ways out in the event of bankruptcy (student loans already being the hardest debts to break free of), more reduction in freedom, more control over education, more denial of market based profits, more pulling of the strings.