America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

Re: America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

PostBy: BillMarti On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:22 pm

So we're paying for universal health care with paid back tarp money that never existed because we had trillions of dollars in deficit . Now that the bill has been passed despite over 50 % of US citizens were against it :idea: we get to pay for something that we are not "entitled" to for another 3 to 4 years . And the left wing nuts say we're stupid and inconsiderate! If this is such a good thing why do we have to wait for our Health Care Insurance OH YEAH WE"RE STILL BROKE AND ACCUMULATING MORE DEBT. Now one of you democrats/socialists explain this to us! How will this improve our standard of living? Where is the money coming from for theses services? OH YEAH AGAIN WE"RE BROKE AND IN DEBT :mad: ! All of the bills that have been passed since BO got into office has put us farther in debt :oops: . OH YEAH NOW I GET IT THIS IS WHY WE"RE IN DEBT :mad: !!!!!!!!! But you lefties go right ahead and blame Bush because BO could have stopped the first bill and let the economy reset itself as GM did go bankrupt anyway and what happened to that TARP money ? What happened to AIG's money ? I say all of those that think Cuban health care is so great need to go there as a Cuban citizen with a major health problem and get back to us on the care they received because it's easy to assume but to live it is another thing. BTW I'll give you a sympathy card to take with you as to foresee your life expectancy will be pretty short and the card wont get lost in the mail. :roll:
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Re: America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

PostBy: tvb On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:23 pm

BillMarti wrote:So we're paying for universal health care with paid back tarp money that never existed because we had trillions of dollars in deficit . Now that the bill has been passed despite over 50 % of US citizens were against it :idea: we get to pay for something that we are not "entitled" to for another 3 to 4 years . And the left wing nuts say we're stupid and inconsiderate! If this is such a good thing why do we have to wait for our Health Care Insurance OH YEAH WE"RE STILL BROKE AND ACCUMULATING MORE DEBT. Now one of you democrats/socialists explain this to us! How will this improve our standard of living? Where is the money coming from for theses services? OH YEAH AGAIN WE"RE BROKE AND IN DEBT :mad: ! All of the bills that have been passed since BO got into office has put us farther in debt :oops: . OH YEAH NOW I GET IT THIS IS WHY WE"RE IN DEBT :mad: !!!!!!!!! But you lefties go right ahead and blame Bush because BO could have stopped the first bill and let the economy reset itself as GM did go bankrupt anyway and what happened to that TARP money ? What happened to AIG's money ? I say all of those that think Cuban health care is so great need to go there as a Cuban citizen with a major health problem and get back to us on the care they received because it's easy to assume but to live it is another thing. BTW I'll give you a sympathy card to take with you as to foresee your life expectancy will be pretty short and the card wont get lost in the mail. :roll:


Uh, Bill, put the remote down, turn off Glenn Beck, and back slowly away from the teevee and radio.
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Re: America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

PostBy: BillMarti On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:28 pm

tvb you got a big mouth all I ask is for you to explain where the money is coming from and you obviously can't by your sarcastic come back. But I did make a mistake responding to your foolishness my bad.
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Re: America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:34 pm

Save your breath, Bill. She's just a drive-by commie hack. She's got nothing to back up her snide remarks except more snide remarks.
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Re: America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

PostBy: BillMarti On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:38 pm

Yes I know that because I do stop in every day to read the posts. And I'm am familiar with her views and she is easy to bait.
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Re: America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:45 pm

I know you know.

I just wanted to be on record. ;)
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Re: America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:46 pm

TVB seems to be thriving on hatred. Here's an interesting article to consider. Here's the link to the whole page. TVB won't be able to digest it, she's busy thinking about her next childish attack on common sense.
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive ... 00070.html



The Ideological Animal
By: Jay Dixit
Psychology Today
Jan/Feb 2007

We think our political stance is the product of reason, but we're
easily manipulated and surprisingly malleable. Our essential political
self is more a stew of childhood temperament, education, and fear of
death. Call it the 9/11 effect.

Cinnamon Stillwell never thought she'd be the founder of a political
organization. She certainly never expected to start a group for
conservatives, most of whom became conservatives on the same day—
September 11, 2001. She organized the group, the 911 Neocons, as a
haven for people like her—"former lefties" who did political 180s
after 9/11.

Stillwell, now a conservative columnist for the San Francisco
Chronicle, had been a liberal her whole life, writing off all
Republicans as "ignorant, intolerant yahoos." Yet on 9/11, everything
changed for her, as it did for so many. In the days after the attacks,
the world seemed "topsy-turvy." On the political left, she wrote,
"There was little sympathy for the victims," and it seemed to her that
progressives were "consumed with hatred for this country" and had
"extended their misguided sympathies to tyrants and terrorists."

Disgusted, she looked elsewhere. She found solace among conservative
talk-show hosts and columnists. At first, she felt resonance with the
right about the war on terror. But soon she found herself concurring
about "smaller government, traditional societal structures, respect
and reverence for life, the importance of family, personal
responsibility, national unity over identity politics." She embraced
gun rights for the first time, drawn to "the idea of self-preservation
in perilous times." Her marriage broke up due in part to political
differences. In the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq, she began going
to pro-war rallies.

In 2005, she wrote a column called "The Making of a 9/11 Republican."
Over the year that followed, she received thousands of e-mails from
people who'd had similar experiences. There were so many of them that
she decided to form a group. And so the 911 Neocons were born.

We tend to believe our political views have evolved by a process of
rational thought, as we consider arguments, weigh evidence, and draw
conclusions. But the truth is more complicated. Our political
preferences are equally the result of factors we're not aware of—such
as how educated we are, how scary the world seems at a given moment,
and personality traits that are first apparent in early childhood.
Among the most potent motivators, it turns out, is fear. How the
United States should confront the threat of terrorism remains a
subject of endless political debate. But Americans' response to
threats of attack is now more clear-cut than ever. The fear of death
alone is surprisingly effective in shaping our political decisions—
more powerful, often, than thought itself.
Dann757
 

Re: America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:52 pm

The fear of being controlled against our will is also a politically motivating force.
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Re: America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:57 pm

Yeah, I know there has to be some control in a civilized society, but this is ridiculous.
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Re: America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:00 pm

The money is coming from that magical money tree that the previous admin. planted, funny how then everything was done without any financing at all & no concern about how things would be paid for or at what future costs. Now the ones most directly responsible for this mess want to know how it will be paid for. When told they don`t believe so then it has to be coming from that same tree, or maybe better yet withhold the checks for the no-bid contracts that were given out, that would pay for most.
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Re: America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:12 pm

samhill wrote:The money is coming from that magical money tree that the previous admin. planted, funny how then everything was done without any financing at all & no concern about how things would be paid for or at what future costs. Now the ones most directly responsible for this mess want to know how it will be paid for. When told they don`t believe so then it has to be coming from that same tree, or maybe better yet withhold the checks for the no-bid contracts that were given out, that would pay for most.


Sam get off that tired old song. Hardly anyone in Congress has concerned themselves with limitations on spending for nearly ONE HUNDRED YEARS. We have run a deficit for 74 of the last one hundred years. And none of that analysis takes into account the mounting future obligations off-the-books, namely social security, pensions, and potentially housing administration and now, health care.

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/02/05/pas ... -pictures/
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bus ... -pictures/

No party is clean on this.
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Re: America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:19 pm

Those people are no longer alive, great for using quotes but not much good for taking or giving blame & thats my point you want to blame one side without the other. Take credit but not responsibility you can`t do one without the other, there is no totally right without a wrong.
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Re: America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:43 pm

Why would the founders have to be alive for us to believe in their desires for this country?

I do blame ALL politicians for the mismanagement of our system. However, I don't blame them equally.
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Re: America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

PostBy: BillMarti On: Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:16 pm

samhill wrote:The money is coming from that magical money tree that the previous admin. planted, funny how then everything was done without any financing at all & no concern about how things would be paid for or at what future costs. Now the ones most directly responsible for this mess want to know how it will be paid for. When told they don`t believe so then it has to be coming from that same tree, or maybe better yet withhold the checks for the no-bid contracts that were given out, that would pay for most.


Don't you see how ridiculous you sound by blaming Bush for something your hero could have stopped? Bush has long been out of office and EVERYTHING the messiah has signed has put us farther in debt and lied about most of them being for our "WE the Peoples" benefit. When Bush left office we were a little over 1Trillion in debt and now we're 4 trillion and climbing quickly. So get off your soap box and pull the reins on your messiah or are you going to blame Bush because of your blind faith. It may have been Bush's fault but the democrat controlled Congress are the ones that didn't stop him as they are allowing your messiah continue a quadruple our debt. In reality it's all been in the democrats hands for the last 5 1/2 years. Tell me why you think the democrats are not guilty of any of this when they had control of congress for 5 1/2 years ? What/who stopped them from allowing uncontrolled spending? Your people are just as guilty and now more for this deficit. You really need to get your blinders off and take a look at what your muslim messiah is doing by destroying OUR country from the inside out. BO is becoming more arrogant by the day by daring "We the People" the majority that are against his latest bills HC and Immigration to do something,his pride is over shadowed only by his utter arrogance.
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Re: America Overwhelmingly voted for Soicalism"

PostBy: gerard On: Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:29 pm

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy…”
Attributed to Alexander Fraser Tytler, Scottish lawyer and writer, 1770."


Also those that aren't students of history are condemned to repeat it. Doesn't anyone read history anymore?? Read some old Ben Franklin quotes on his study of idelness. Some pretty smart people tried to frame our government to PREVENT what's currently ocurring but apparently they weren't smart enough cause we're doing an end run around them.............
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