info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

PostBy: TzHauling On: Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:49 pm

Hello,
I just bought a old coal stove for my garage. The problem is I can't find any info on it on the internet. I was wondering if any one can help? Right now it is in working order but I would like to know where to get parts when I need them, Maybe the year of it. Any thing aboby know's about it would be very helpfull. I posted a few pics below.

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Re: info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

PostBy: tsb On: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:59 pm

Mertztown ? $60.00 ?
Good deal !
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Re: info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

PostBy: TzHauling On: Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:22 am

Yeppers thats the one. It was on Craigslist. I think I got a really good deal on it and it's in great shape. I'm going to use it to heat my 20X30 garage/workshop.
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Re: info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:31 am

If you can, take the sheet metal covers off and take a photo or two of the naked steel stove.. And a photo or two of the firepot with the door open so we can see the shaker grate mechanism, and the firebrick.

It will be interesting to see if it is similar to other cabinet-type stoves..

Greg L
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Re: info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

PostBy: TzHauling On: Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:33 pm

I checked and the screws are rusted, so I'm not going to removed the sheet metal till I need to. I took some pictures the best I could of the pot and shakers. There's no fire brick in it, it's just cast iron.

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Re: info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

PostBy: rockwood On: Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:40 pm

It's a circulator stove, basically a potbelly type stove with a tin/cast iron shell. The inner body of the stove would be cast iron and this particular style probably doesn't have any firebrick in it. I have a similar stove and as far as spare parts go, you might be able to find grates that will fit but most likely you would have to measure the existing grates and buy the closest match and modify/grind them to fit. This stove probably only has two grates which can rotate and dump the entire fire so it takes practice to shake ashes. Other cast iron parts for this stove could be very hard to find so be careful not to break anything. ;) Can't tell from the photo but some of these stoves have secondary air control in the loading door. Another thing that's nice about these stoves is they can be installed closer to combustibles than other radiant type heaters because the tin shell acts as a heat shield. Opinions vary greatly on baro dampers but I use a baro damper on my circulator stove and it helps better control the stove. If you have a manometer on your EFM, you should temporarily set it up on this stove to check the draft. .04-.05 is the draft I recommend for this type of stove. If you get clinkers then it's being overfired.
These are good heaters and will last a long time. :)

Oops...you posted photos just before I submitted my reply.
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Re: info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:15 pm

Looks like the typical stove of the 1920s. Double wall of sheet iron or cast with a hopper to feed coal. Pretty much the last evolution of the parlor stove as coal died out for heating homes and central heating became the norm. Many designs look to me like the floor standing phonographs of the period.
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Re: info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

PostBy: rockwood On: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:24 pm

Yep, the stove in my avatar is one of these. 8-)
Also...the loading door would have mica for viewing the fire and draft in the ash pit area looks to be controlled by a rod that runs to the top of the stove. Mine simply has a cast iron plate that rotates similar to some warm morning stoves.
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Re: info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:26 pm

Wherle was a huge stove company that supplied stoves for over 5 decades. They are a lot more common in the mid west than in the north east. Wherle stoves were also sold by Sears for many, many years and you can find them in the old Sear's catalogs. This one is done up in a "Art Modern," case. These type stoves date from the late 1920's up until the Locke (makers of the Warm Morning) went out of business in the 1980's. These stoves were very common in the South during my childhood where everybody burned soft coal. I would date yours somewhere in the 1930's. You can have new grates, and other cast parts made by any good foundry if you need new ones. They would need the old parts to make a pattern from. It is not that expensive. From the pictures it looks like your stove has a magazine (modern day term for it is, "hopper") so it probably can go a couple of days on one full loading of coal. For it to work efficiently and safely as intended you are going to have to take it all apart and check for cracks and broken pieces and then put it back together with new bolts and sealed joints. Not too hard of a job if you don't mind getting dirty a little bit. If you have secondary air dampers you can burn both soft or hard coal in it. After you get this all fixed up, you will have a very satisfactory stove which will do a good job of heating.
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Re: info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

PostBy: TzHauling On: Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:27 pm

Thanks for the info on the heater. I didn't relize it was from the 20's or 30's. They really made things to last back then. I guess I have to be carefull with the parts also.

I have a manometer for the house I can use to set up the garage heater. I still have to get all the pipe, baro and everything yet.

I took it outback today and washed it, now the heater is clean and I'm dirty :D . I didn't see any cracks, but I am going to take it apart this summer and reseal everything so I'll find out for sure then.

I found the glass in the front door. I didn't even know it was there it was covered with soot. There is a rod on the top that says open and closed, but I didn't see a control on the front door for air.

There's one shaker grate in the stove. I guess I have to play with till I can shake it right. I'm use the EFM in the house the ash just falls off the top into the bucket.

I'm wondering what type and size of coal would burn the best in it? I use rice in the EFM that is in the house but I dought it would work in the Wehrle in the garage.

Also any sugestions on how far to place the heater away from the walls? The closer to the walls the better but I don't want to set it to close.


I Thank you for any info or help you can give me.
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Re: info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

PostBy: envisage On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:09 am

Seems very similar to my Warm Morning Model 400! :-)
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Re: info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

PostBy: sharkman8810 On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:33 pm

I'd probably try using nut coal in that stove. Yes the tin around the stove acts as a heat shield. My home owners insurance company had information on clearances for stoves if you dont have a new one with instructions. I'd let them know what you have and what they want by way of clearances, because they insure it. I have erie, and they were really good about my stove.
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Re: info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:33 pm

When you get it apart, take a photo or two of the moving grate. with the pivot /shaft ends visible. And put a measuring tape or yardstick next to it in the photo..
Somebody here might have a grate or parts around from another stove that could work for you..

Greg L
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Re: info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

PostBy: wsherrick On: Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:23 pm

Another thing you might want to do to preserve your firepot is to line the inside of it with castable refactory cement. It is a fairly simple process. You make a mold out of thick, stiff cardboard and fit it into the firepot. You need an inch or so of thickness in the castable, cement lining. After you have made the mold, you take a stick or a paint mixing paddle or some such item to poke the cement down as you pour it around the mold so you work out any air pockets and get a uniform width around the mold. You let that just sit in there mold and all until you make your first fire. The fire simply burns away the card board mold and you have a nice protective lining which should last up to 5 years or so if you don't abuse the stove. Hope this helps.
By the way, I thought you might like to see another example of a Wherle product from the 1890's
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Re: info wanted for Wehrle coal stove

PostBy: TzHauling On: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:20 pm

Thanks for the info. I think I'll try the lining sounds easy enough and it will make the stove last longer.

I like the stove in the picture that you posted.
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