This will never happen

This will never happen

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:13 pm

This will take less than thirty seconds to read. It makes sense. If you agree, please pass it on.

You are one of my 20.

For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress.
Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the
same pay after only one term, that they didn't pay into Social Security,
that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they
have passed while ordinary citizens must live under those laws.
The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is
being considered...in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem
logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don't
care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The
self-serving must stop. This is a good way to do that. It is an idea
whose time has come.
Have each person contact a minimum of Twenty people on their Address
list, in turn ask each of those to do likewise..
In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the
message. This is one proposal that really should be passed around.

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:
"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the
United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or
Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the
Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the
citizens of the United States ".
grumpy
 

Re: This will never happen

PostBy: brckwlt On: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:27 pm

i love the idea but there is no way our congress or senate would ever vote that into law. They would have to be retarded to do so. But i do like the idea :up:
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Re: This will never happen

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:30 pm

arnt day wee todd did???
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Re: This will never happen

PostBy: brckwlt On: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:35 pm

Poconoeagle wrote:arnt day wee todd did???


please translate to english
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Re: This will never happen

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:51 pm

:woot: toothy toothy toothy

Pocono ... we can't say that in MA -- they are actually hard at work PASSING A LAW AGAINST IT!! Believe it! No joke!! :shock:
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Re: This will never happen

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:54 pm

SMITTY wrote::woot: toothy toothy toothy

Pocono ... we can't say that in MA -- they are actually hard at work PASSING A LAW AGAINST IT!! Believe it! No joke!! :shock:



i heard that..!! that law is wee-todd-did too!!! ;)
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Re: This will never happen

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:56 pm

I think every person in the MA state house & senate is wee-todd-did!! :yes:
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Re: This will never happen

PostBy: brckwlt On: Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:07 pm

ohhh shiiiit i guess im
wee-todd-did


i get it now :oops:
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Re: This will never happen

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:09 pm

brckwlt wrote:ohhh shiiiit i guess im
wee-todd-did


i get it now :oops:



:o :D 8-) :P dude the surfing must be getting to ya????
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Re: This will never happen

PostBy: Yanche On: Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:20 am

grumpy wrote:For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress.
Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the
same pay after only one term, that they didn't pay into Social Security, ...

grumpy, would you please backup that claim. It's my understanding elected members of Congress get credit for the years served, i.e. severe one term and you get one terms worth of retirement eligibility. In the same retirement system almost all federal government employees have. It's administered by Office of Personnel Management (OPM). Congress members ability to collect is no different than others in the plan, age plus years of service rules to follow.

Yes they didn't pay into Social Security, but they don't have eligibility either, unless they had another job with Social Security taxes withheld.

Just another complaint without the facts.
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Re: This will never happen

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:47 am

brckwlt wrote:i love the idea but there is no way our congress or senate would ever vote that into law. They would have to be retarded to do so. But i do like the idea :up:


"Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:
"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the
United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or
Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the
Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the
citizens of the United States ".

This is a proposed Amendment to the Constitution. Article 5 of the Constitution provides a means to bypass Congress when adding Amendments to the Constitution. It's next to impossible but it can be done. Article 5 reads "...on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress..." It's hard to do and it's supposed to be. That's why there has only been 27 of Amendments throughout the history of the country. Many of us may remember the equal rights Amendment that started the process but could never get the support of 3/4 of the states. There has been a lot of talk flying around the internet on using Article 5 to stop the Federal overreach via the Interstate Commerce Clause. The means is there to do it but is the will of the People strong enough to follow it through. I guess time will tell. We do live in interesting times. Lisa
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Re: This will never happen

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:25 am

For a summary of the Congressional and the Civilian Workers Retirement Plan check out

http://www.senate.gov/reference/resourc ... L30631.pdf

It's clear that a lot of the confusion has to do with the word retirement when talking about 1 or 2 term Representatives. A Congressional Representative has a term of 2 years but in order to collect a retirement pension you must serve at least 5 years to be "vested." The "one and done" or two term Representatives do not qualify and would only receive the amount they individually input into the retirement account; no matching dollars or pension from the government. That is the same as for rank and file government workers. These people do not retire, they resign from the position the same as if a military officer voluntarily leaves the service at 17 years. They have no ongoing retirement benefit.

This is not true for the Senate which has 6 year terms. If they leave after one term they are vested and will receive matching funds and a very small pension based on time served and individual money they invested in the retirement plan.

Current government employee pay SS. Individuals under the previous retirement plan (CSR) didn't but most have since 1984. The new and current plan (FERS) is market based and can be more lucrative over the life of your employment. Age wise most people covered by the old plan have retired so there are very few government workers still under the it. Both my husband and I started with the Government as civilian employees in the fall of 1984. We had to choose between the two plans. The FERS almost doubled our potential retirement pool because it's market based so it was a no brainer to us at that age. Someone retiring in 1990 may have made a different choice.

Check out the link, it makes spells it out very clearly. Lisa
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