Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:30 am

samhill,how about if these lifetime welfare families were mandated to get thier butts out & do some county/state work--like roads pick up,maintenance(painting,etc on muninciple bldgs,anything would be different :!: funny you should put slugs & politicians in the same sentence where 98% of them belong :(
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:41 am

Nothing wrong with that Fred, most are concentrated in inner cities where cops & others pass daily & would know if work was done or not, minimal equipment needed & we all know that no one is doing the work now, let them earn their keep. Some may just find that work is good for the soul & find something steady. There are some organisations that do simular things on their own now, there is at least one in Erie that has kids that would otherwise be doing jail time & its working out well. They do work around elderly folks homes that they can no longer keep up with.
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:53 am

Sam, you seem to have a short memory. During Clinton administration, the Republicans had both houses of Congress and they were able to push through significant welfare reform. In fact, it required those receiving welfare to work or enroll in eduction programs so they could get jobs. The government provided daycare so subsidies so they could. I don't have the data in front of me but there was a substantial reduction to the Welfare rolls. It wasn't Clinton's choice but he takes credit for it now.

You also have a short memory when you claimed in an early post that that:

"I can`t believe what I just read, some on here finally owning up that it isn`t just a one sided problem, cause or fix."

Many of us on here have said that there is blame to go around. However, we aren't going to accept the Liberal mantra that Republicans caused the entire mess or even the majority of it. Sorry, but there is too much data proving otherwise to let anyone get away with that statement or to have that opinion without challenge.

What we need to do now is move on and find those individuals - Democrat or Republican - who are going to work toward fixing the problems. That why I've stepped out of my comfort zone and am working at the grass roots level. We are locating and supporting individuals who reflect our values and beliefs regardless of their party affiliation. Yes, there are Conservative Democrats and when we locate them we will support them. Lisa
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:49 pm

Lisa,I'm bummed w/ both,if not all parties--Freetown's not Springfield,but we out here have gotten behind people who have talked a good program & it seems that unfortunatly it doesn't take them long to get sucked into the Washington norm--which seems to consist of politicians forgetting about thier constituents--proof being the HCR--NY is so screwed at this point,I don't know weather to s_it or shoot somebody---how the hell do you tell if a candidate is legitimate or not anymore---when state reps can't even coordinate thier views,what chance does washington have--don't get me wrong,we're still in this fight--it's just that my wife loseing her job after 10 yrs due to budget cuts on a budget that hasen't even been passed yet & health care "projected" increases that they have everyone running scared--I have a problem intellectualizing the whole pile of crap--on the positive side,we wear barn boots on a daily basis,we can kick must of the s_it off them & leave them in the mud room,but in the morning,they're still there,as is the sh_t--that's a sum of my feelings on politics at this point :( Lisa,just had a friend turn me onto Ted Nugent on Health Care Reform (google it if you haven't seen it)In my book,he's got it--hope I'm not showing my ignorence,but he's got a good,down to earth message--my earth-- :D
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:25 pm

Yeah, I know exactly where you are coming from. After being blessed to be able to stay home with my kids, I have gone back into the work force. We don't live high on the hog but we have 3 kids and live in one of the most expensive areas of the country. There are many things I would like to have and do that we aren't able to do and it's because of the mess in Washington. Locally, we are fighting the "intellectual elites" that have come to Washington because they know better then the rest of us and want to force their beliefs on us. On top of that we have a large legal and larger illegal immigrant population that adds to the mix. The tide is finally turning here because the Obama law specifically hits those families that earn $250,000 or more and the school budget can no longer provide the numerous additional educational opportunities they used to when the budgets where fat. These people are beginning to scream. We have located 2 republican challengers to the incumbent Democrat. Both are home grown men and have been in local politics for a while so they have long records to run on. The incumbent is from Mass. of all places. While anyone getting to Washington may be blinded by the lights and glamor of it all we have vetted these guys pretty well and hopefully that won't happen. I guess all I can hope for is that at the end of the day when my grandkids ask me what I was doing and did when we reached this crisis in our country's history I will be able to say I stood up and made my voice heard. I used my one little vote to make a difference. Lisa
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:01 pm

YES,that vote thing is a definate given--I'm guessing vetted means checking the bastards out?-that's in the process--we also have some experienced republicans that we are leaning twds.--by experienced I don't mean old & retarded--I mean guys & gals that are actually paying attention to what's going on in the state/world Today,not just sittin on thier fat butts in Albany :)
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:46 pm

I`m not forgetting anything, both sides have screwed up & both sides have had the chance to fix things but neither seems to want to. As I always say,show me the money, the way the money goes is the way the lobbyist are buying what they want. As Jessie Ventura said, they should have to wear sponsorship type jackets just like nascar drivers with the loco of the Industry that has bought their vote. Remember anything that you believe was so bad in the past the other party has ample time to fix as time & control changed hands but neither side has. They both claim to want some of the same things but when given the opportunity they didn`t do it, why the heck not.
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:46 pm

By God samhill,when you're right you're right :)
samhill wrote:I`m not forgetting anything, both sides have screwed up & both sides have had the chance to fix things but neither seems to want to. As I always say,show me the money, the way the money goes is the way the lobbyist are buying what they want. As Jessie Ventura said, they should have to wear sponsorship type jackets just like nascar drivers with the loco of the Industry that has bought their vote. Remember anything that you believe was so bad in the past the other party has ample time to fix as time & control changed hands but neither side has. They both claim to want some of the same things but when given the opportunity they didn`t do it, why the heck not.
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: gerard On: Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:10 pm

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy…”
Attributed to Alexander Fraser Tytler, Scottish lawyer and writer, 1770."


I think the above quote describes the status of our country pretty well. John Dean, former head of the DNC, even said the other day that the halth care bill was a "redistribution of wealth." The dems think they're robin hood and are stealing from the "rich" and giving to the "poor" and the "Poor" are all ok with this. Socialism at it's finest and antithetical to everything principle this country was founded upon.
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Re: Health care law & your W-2

PostBy: Cap On: Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:59 pm

I received this today. May be old news but it seems as if this bill was made law quite sometime ago and we haven't even started feeling the effects yet.


2011 W-2 Tax Forms--Surprise, surprise!
2011 W-2 Tax Forms and Obamacare

Here is a GREAT reason to re-elect no one. Can’um all.

Should you want to verify this, go to http://www.thomas.gov/, enter "HR 3590"
in the search box and look for "CRS Summaries." This is what you'll find.

Title IX Revenue Provisions—Subtitle A: Revenue Offset
"(Sec. 9002) Requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee the aggregate cost of applicable employer-sponsored group health coverage that is excludable from the employee's gross income (excluding the value of contributions to flexible spending arrangements)."


Starting in 2011—next year—the W-2 tax form sent by your employer will be increased to show the value of whatever health insurance you are provided. It doesn't matter if you're retired. Your gross income WILL go up by the amount of insurance your employer paid for. So you’ll be required to pay taxes on a larger sum of money that you actually received. Take the tax form you just finished for 2009 and see what $15,000.00 or $20,000.00 additional gross income does to
your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year. For many it puts you into a much higher bracket. This is how the government is going to buy insurance for fifteen (15) percent that don't have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases,
but it's not really a "tax increase" as such, it a redefinition of your taxable income.

Also, go to Kiplinger's and read about the thirteen (13) tax changes for 2010 that could affect you.

Why am I sending you this? The same reason I hope you forward this to every single person in your address book. People have the right to know the truth because an election is coming in November. So vote intelligently, based on your values. But also adjust your tax withholding, or increase your savings, so that you aren't
surprised and put in a jam when your federal income taxes are due on April 15, 2012.

Fight organized crime! Re-elect no one.
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: tvb On: Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:54 pm

I know how to google, so you need not bother before reposting your spam:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/hr3590.asp

FAiL.
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:18 pm

Unfortunately, the 100,000 jobs lost due to the health care bill is just the tip of the iceberg.

http://townhall.com/columnists/CarrieLu ... ng_in_2011

Big changes are coming to the standard of living we have enjoyed before this administration and I beg that someone prove that I'm wrong. Com'on someone show me the data that shows this is all a bad dream.

Wait a minute - what's this - Democrat Senators revolting over the tax increases?

http://article.nationalreview.com/43860 ... rry-kudlow

Nay, that would make too much sense. Lisa
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: tvb On: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:34 pm

Ben Nelson a democrat? I have a lovely bridge I would love to sell you for the right price.
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:45 pm

mikeandgerry wrote: I side with Hamden Bob in that the Republicans are the lesser of two evils. The problem for the Republicans of late is their penchant for war spending.


The "lesser of two evils" is still evil. It's also the reason we are in this mess. R's and D's are exactly the same. There is no "lesser" involved.
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:42 am

tvb wrote:Ben Nelson a democrat? I have a lovely bridge I would love to sell you for the right price.


You have not provided any evidence that disproves any data in the links provided are false or off base.

I maintain based on data readily available and verifiable on the web that the current administration policies, in this instance the health care bill, are going to destroy the American lifestyle, even yours; and it‘s all going to hit on Jan 1, 20011. Yet all you can come back with is a Snarky comment about Ben Nelson. Give me a break.

Here’s yet another aspect of the Health Care Bill I bet you’ve never given real thought to;

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini ... 23509.html

I hope the heat is bearable where you are. Here in the North GA mountains it's been 100* plus with the heat index. There's no rain but they get a lot humidity. Have a great week. Lisa
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