Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: tvb On: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:33 pm

Your original comment that included DINO Ben Nelson had nothing to do with health insurance. It had everything to do with the Bush tax cuts which he, according to the writer of the column you posted, is trying to preserve.

On your claim that my life and that of my family going down hill on 1/1/2011, I maintain it isn't. I believe that a healthier populace will increase the quality of life in the US as a whole and thus, is good for America.

You keep citing 2011 but yet the articles you cite make no mention of 2011.

It's lovely in NJ today but the heat is due to return tomorrow. I lived in Atlanta for a while several years back; it was that heat (and that green air over the city every summer) convinced me to move back up north. Enjoy the rest of your holiday.
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:34 pm

mikeandgerry wrote: I side with Hamden Bob in that the Republicans are the lesser of two evils. The problem for the Republicans of late is their penchant for war spending.


jpete wrote:The "lesser of two evils" is still evil. It's also the reason we are in this mess. R's and D's are exactly the same. There is no "lesser" involved.


I'll agree with you in theory - the lesser of two evils is still evil. It goes along with the concept of bad. Something can’t be a little bad. It’s either bad or good.

However, like with many theories this has developed shades of gray due to the lackadaisical attitude of “we the people”. Which party is moving to take away our liberties faster ? Which party is “fundamentally transforming” the country and which party is doing so by ignoring or sidestepping the Constitution. We are either a country of laws or we aren’t.

It we aren’t a country of laws, then we are nothing and have no future. How can you plan, hire or start any new endeavor without a sound rule of law that is enforced across the board. How can you make a decision on what you what to be when you grow up without knowing that profession will be able to provide you a decent return on your efforts? That is the difference between parties today. The current administration is totally rewriting or ignoring the law and will of the people and the judges - many whom were appointed by the Democrats - are backing them in the court. With the exception of Gates at the DoD they all have one thing in common; they are all democrats. That’s enough for me to work with the Republicans. At least there is a chance that “we the people” can influence them. The democrats have proven they don’t care what we think.

I’d like to think that the majority of people would see things the same way. I think we’ll have that confirmed in Nov. Have great day, Lisa
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:29 pm

tvb wrote:Your original comment that included DINO Ben Nelson had nothing to do with health insurance. It had everything to do with the Bush tax cuts which he, according to the writer of the column you posted, is trying to preserve.

On your claim that my life and that of my family going down hill on 1/1/2011, I maintain it isn't. I believe that a healthier populace will increase the quality of life in the US as a whole and thus, is good for America.

quote="tvb"]Your original comment that included DINO Ben Nelson had nothing to do with health insurance. It had everything to do with the Bush tax cuts which he, according to the writer of the column you posted, is trying to preserve.

On your claim that my life and that of my family going down hill on 1/1/2011, I maintain it isn't. I believe that a healthier populace will increase the quality of life in the US as a whole and thus, is good for America.

You keep citing 2011 but yet the articles you cite make no mention of 2011.


I’m incredulous that you don’t see the train coming down the tracks. As for all of the links provided they do refer to 2011 including the activation of several new taxes derived from Obamacare. Those new taxes and the failure of this Congress to continue with the Bush tax cuts will cause drastic changes in the lifestyles of Americans - changes that most of us can’t afford. Medical care is just one of them; it’s all part and parcel of the same thing. I’m glad you’re ok with paying more in taxes in general and for your insurance while receiving less care but I’m not. I’m not looking forward to rationed care or standing in line for what “they deem” I’m worth. I’m shocked you are.

No, I believe and can back it up with data that we are not going to become a “healthier people.” Can you make the same statement? Are you watching what’s going on with the British Health care system? Yeah, more people will have access to the building but once inside there isn’t going to be anything to be had. Access won’t provide quality or availability. You ought to take another look at some of the projections about the quality of care expected under Obamacare.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to read the current data and see that “we the people:” are going to take it in the shorts once again starting in 2011. I’m happy you can afford the increase taxes but I don’t think many others can incorporate the new taxes in to their budget. I don’t know how the dissatisfaction of the people is going to manifest itself but it’s going to get ugly and fast.

Please no one jump on me for this - I admitted I have no idea how this anger is going to manifest itself but it will. Remember the town halls and the marches on DC. I say we haven’t seen anything yet.

I grew up in Atlanta - actually Tucker -and I too think it’s a nice place to be from. Stay cool and check your car’s fluids before heading out on the roads. You don’t want to be one of these folks who break down. Have a great day! Lisa
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:17 am

If UHC is such a great idea, why is it failing miserably in Massachusetts and why is the British NHS handing more control to physicians and also closing hospitals?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/ ... ol-budgets
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:20 am

[quote="lowfog01"][quote="mikeandgerry"] Which party is moving to take away our liberties faster ? Which party is “fundamentally transforming” the country and which party is doing so by ignoring or sidestepping the Constitution. We are either a country of laws or we aren’t.
/quote]

I think the PATRIOT Act and the Military Commissions Act took a bunch of liberties away.

As far as sidestepping the Constitution, they just blast a hole in it and walk right through. Not sidestepping at all. And both sides do it equally.

The popular mythology is that we are a nation of laws. We are not, and have not been in at least 100 years, maybe 200.
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:45 am

Join the Bourbon Party now before it's to late. The Dem's and the Republicans have both ruined this country, and if this country is going to burn at least have a bottle of Bourbon in your hand while you stand at watch it burn. Join a party where you will be able to say, " Yes the country went to hell, but we all went to hell with her. The best damn country hell has ever seen." Thats right at the Bourbon party if the country looses we all lose, not like the other parties where if one looses only those in that party loose, nope in this party it's all for one and loose for all.

(Hey did you notice that the economy went down, but the good thing is all the Senators, Congressman, and down to township councils have all still been getting raises. I wonder if thats why our taxes are going up, maybe to pay the "over paid" part time help)
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Re: Health care law could cost 100,000 + jobs.

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:27 pm

It wont cost the IRS jobs

the IRS has been saying for months now it needs 16,000 more employees and 10 BILLION in funding just to enforce / collect the additional taxes associated with the Health care bill
if they need 10 BILLION more to collect the taxes - I wonder how much more they have to collect to make that worth while ?

yiou can be sure that the government will hand over all the taxpayer noney the IRS says it needs for ramp up for the HC bill

Where is Senator Waxamn ? Why is he not calling the IRS on the carpet for it's extraordinary claims of hardships caused by the HC bill
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