"Uphold the Constitution"

Re: "Uphold the Constitution"

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:56 pm

tvb wrote:So, boys, where in the constitution does it say we should build you roads to get to work over?


I was out building a road of sorts today. I spread a 2200 lbs of gravel. I bought it at a local capitalist stone yard with money I earned myself that was not redistributed to me. We pay taxes to accomplish road building, it isn't The Chavez socialism you are so enamored of. If you knew the value of labor, you might not want to spread the fruits of it around so communistically with your hero Maobamarx.
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Re: "Uphold the Constitution"

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:02 pm

tvb wrote:Where in the constitution does it say we should provide fire trucks to put out the fire that starts in your back in the middle of the night?


Maybe you meant back yard or back room. The only fire I feel in my back is from the flaming arrow of Marxism being aimed and shot at the Constitution.
The local Volunteer fire department came and pumped out my friend's basement two weeks ago during the heavy rain. I thanked them and told them that the guy that lives there is a combat wounded and decorated Vietnam Vet. They said they also thank him for his service to our USA. That was a true American moment, maybe you'll have one someday. If you would like to come up to The Warren Flea Market when it opens, they ask for a non-mandatory donation of a dollar to support them. See if you can contemplate the concept of non-mandatory.
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Re: "Uphold the Constitution"

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:04 pm

tvb wrote:Where in the constitution does it say we should provide you with clean water to drink?


We have a well. A private company came out and drilled it. A private company operating for profit under Capitalism, something you seem to despise.
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Re: "Uphold the Constitution"

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:09 pm

tvb wrote:Or educate your children?


Since you are a self-proclaimed expert on charts, scrutinize this one and see if you notice anything.

http://blog.nj.com/statattack/2007/10/diversity2.jpg
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Re: "Uphold the Constitution"

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:16 pm

I know what you mean about the well, I have well & septic also but I wouldn`t like it if some outfit came onto a piece of property around here, drilled for gas with that fracking process or any other for that matter & ruined my water. It would be done by a private company operating for profit under capitalism, does that make it right that they should be able to ruin everyone's water around here to make a buck?
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Re: "Uphold the Constitution"

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:21 pm

Of course not. I know you are attempting to find a balance and reasonable dialogue here, unlike some other people. What choice do you think you would have about that in Venezuela?
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Re: "Uphold the Constitution"

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:34 pm

tvb wrote:So, boys, where in the constitution does it say we should build you roads to get to work over? Where does it say you should collect that unemployment check you are getting? Where in the constitution does it say we should provide fire trucks to put out the fire that starts in your back in the middle of the night? Where in the constitution does it say we should provide you with clean water to drink? Or educate your children?


Gee TVB, even you should known that the Interstates and roads where not built so that you can get to work. That's just an unintended consequence. Look it up, the interstates were initially paid for by the Defense Dept under Eisenhower, hence the signs identifying them as the "Eisenhower Interstate System" surrounding 5 stars. As a matter of fact, after much debate at the time that was the only way Congress felt comfortable doing it. The idea came from Eisenhower's experiences on the German Autobahn. You find the authority in the Preamble of the Constitution - "...Provide for the common defence...." That being what it is, the rest of what you are claiming not be to authorized can also be justified through the Preamble - "...promote the general Welfare, Posterity and Blessings of Liberty." Those words should be enough to stop any frivolous spending - have you ever tried to get 400+ Representatives and 100 Senators to agree on anything. For pete's sake we just saw how underhanded the current Congress had to be in order to pass Obama care and they had majorities in both houses. Of course, there are always "pork barrel" projects to reward special interests. i.e. the Dept of Education, but that was actually an overreach to states rights or Article X.

For that matter so is the Fire Department and every thing else you mentioned including health care. Why is the federal government involved in any of it? Federalism (strong state governments) was conceived to put the power in the hands of those closets to the people it effects. That way as said by Ronald Reagan, "citizens of the states could always vote with their feet" and move to another state. Why do you think CA is losing it's population? If the Federal Government makes all states the same, there is no place to go. The Amendments really don't have anything to do with it. Those pretty much spell out what the Government can't do to us.

I don't know if the Interstate Highways are still a part of the defense budget but that's how they got started after WWII and the Korean War. I would think that anyone with any sense would recognize their value under the Interstate Commerce Clause at this point. It turns out they actually do impact Interstate Commerce - go figure. I for one thank God that Eisenhower had the foresight to see the needs of a system of roads that would enable the quick movement of the standing Army. All you have to do is look to the Mexican border right now to justify the need militarily. Anyone who has served in the Military knows the battle front can move anywhere a plane can fly and drop the infantry. Eisenhower recognized that the "big pond" wouldn't always be able to protect us. Again, look at the southern and to a lesser extent the northern border. Another interesting tidbit about the Interstates is that for every - I think - 25 miles 3 miles of it must be straight and without overpasses or bridges. That's so that that section of road can be used to land military aircraft if needed. Pretty cool, eh?

So... it seems pretty obvious to me that although it could technically be justified via the Preamble of the Constitution, the Federal Government has it's fingers in a lot more of my personal liberties than they are actually authorized by the Constitution. They should give that authority back to the states where it was always intended to be. Lisa
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Re: "Uphold the Constitution"

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:02 pm

The height of all the over passes also had to be great enough for a lowboy with the largest tank we had to fit under. I`m not sure about this but I read somewhere that part of the S.S. trust fund was used to fund the interstate system. In getting back on subject most roads are built with at least matching funds from the Feds.
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Re: "Uphold the Constitution"

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:10 pm

samhill wrote:The height of all the over passes also had to be great enough for a lowboy with the largest tank we had to fit under. I`m not sure about this but I read somewhere that part of the S.S. trust fund was used to fund the interstate system. In getting back on subject most roads are built with at least matching funds from the Feds.


I think you're right. I remember a 2LT who had a convoy - not me - on I-95 south of Savannah who did not check the clearance of the bridges on his route. One of his trucks slammed into the bridge but rather then stop he decided it would probably go through if they just tried more to the center of the bridge. Nope, same results. I think he still paying for the truck and the bridge. True story :D Lisa
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Re: "Uphold the Constitution"

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:47 pm

It happens more than you would think but usually not on the interstate, everything is kept a pretty uniform height, if you don`t know how high your load is you shouldn`t be driving. Where they normally get caught is when your on a grade & you don`t take the length of the trailor into consideration.
I know they never figured in how large some of the modern military equipment has become, kinda hard to figure in what you don`t know will happen, just try & leave some margin for error. Much like the Constitution, they pretty much thought of everything that should be in there at the time & left a lot of room & method to tweek it here & there as needed. And like everything else that humans & politics get involved in it got abused by all sides.
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Re: "Uphold the Constitution"

PostBy: tvb On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:07 pm

The height thing catches trucks all the time in NYC, especially on the parkways. Some truck driver will choose to ignore the many signs that say NO TRUCKS and go on anyways. The first overpass will usually stop them pretty quickly. Some choose to ignore the signs at the Lincoln Tunnel too, such as the one in this story from June of 2007 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/01/nyregion/01truck.html

It's worth checking the article out just for the picture.

It was just six inches.

That was what made the difference at 4:40 a.m. yesterday as Gilberto Cantu, a truck driver from Texas, approached the New Jersey entrance of the Lincoln Tunnel in his big rig, loaded with bathtubs, toilets and plumbing fixtures. The truck was 13 feet 6 inches high. The tunnel has a height limit of 13 feet. Six inches can make a big difference.
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Re: "Uphold the Constitution"

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:26 pm

samhill wrote:I know what you mean about the well, I have well & septic also but I wouldn`t like it if some outfit came onto a piece of property around here, drilled for gas with that fracking process or any other for that matter & ruined my water. It would be done by a private company operating for profit under capitalism, does that make it right that they should be able to ruin everyone's water around here to make a buck?


Their rights end where yours begin.

Why is that a hard concept? If what they did threatens your "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness", then they should hauled before court and you should be made whole again.
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Re: "Uphold the Constitution"

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:30 pm

I do care about the Republic and the Constitution.

There are a growing number of citizens who have been awakened, take solace in that.
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Re: "Uphold the Constitution"

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:05 pm

you need to Google--Marcellus Shale/gas drilling--specifically Fracking
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samhill wrote:I know what you mean about the well, I have well & septic also but I wouldn`t like it if some outfit came onto a piece of property around here, drilled for gas with that fracking process or any other for that matter & ruined my water. It would be done by a private company operating for profit under capitalism, does that make it right that they should be able to ruin everyone's water around here to make a buck?


Their rights end where yours begin.

Why is that a hard concept? If what they did threatens your "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness", then they should hauled before court and you should be made whole again.
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Re: "Uphold the Constitution"

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:10 pm

freetown fred wrote:you need to Google--Marcellus Shale/gas drilling--specifically Fracking


Why?

You implied that it would be harmful to your water supply. I don't need to know the specifics of the process to understand that if they impact your "life" to the extent that your water becomes undrinkable, then they should make you whole again.

People try to make this harder than it is.
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