The 28th amendment

Re: The 28th amendment

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:28 pm

tvb wrote:While technically this is true (for NJ at least) because the state constitution says it is, in reality it isn't. Recently the mob that is trying to recall Menedez was told by the former Secretary of State (under Corzine):


Did you mean this Menendez?:

Relationship with non-profit group
In early September 2006, federal authorities delivered a subpoena to the North Hudson County Action Corp., a non-profit organization in Union City, NJ. Specifically, they sought records of a rental deal between the agency and Menendez.

In 1983, Menendez purchased a three-story brick house on a residential street in Union City for $92,000. He and his family lived there briefly, but ultimately moved out and began renting it as a commercial property. In 1994, he entered a rental agreement with the North Hudson group, who planned to use the home for administrative offices. Menendez charged them $3,100 per month, and later raised the figure to $4,000 per month.

During a nine-year period in which he served Hudson County in the House, Menendez received over $300,000 from the group in rent payments. As a congressman, Menendez often helped secure funds for the non-profit organization. In 1998, Menendez helped the agency win designation as a federally qualified health care center, a title that made it eligible for federal health care grants. In the eight years that followed this designation, the agency collected $9.6 million in federal grants. In 2001, the group honored Menendez as it’s “man of the year” and named a pavilion after him.

Menendez argued that before renting out the house in 1994, he obtained clearance from the House Ethics Committee. He has stated that there was nothing improper about his actions because he never negotiated directly with agency officials and the organization paid slightly below-market rent for the house. In 2003, Menendez sold the house for $450,000. The new owner continued to rent the house to the North Hudson Community Action Corp.; at a rate of $3,700 per month. [2] [3]


Hiring controversy with top advisor
In September of 2006, a tape emerged of Donald Scarinci - Menendez's chilhood friend and closest political advisor - pressuring a Union City, NJ psychiatrist with several contracts with the prison system to hire an additional physician known to Scarinci. In the secretly recorded conversation, Scarinci told the physician that doing so would be a favor to Menendez, then a member of the U.S. House of Representatives. When the tapes content became public, Menendez severed ties with Scarinci, claiming that he had used his name and influence without his knowledge and committed a serious breach of good judgment. [4]
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Re: The 28th amendment

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:03 pm

Hambden Bob wrote:Grand Madame Lowfog....You have once again proved your fiber of being by clearing up a misconception with fact! Hat's off to you and shame on me. You have shown what the word "fair" means. All anyone can ask for is the truth. We get so little of that. Gerard,like everyone else hear,posts from the heart,I do believe. When something false or misunderstood comes up or out,we rely on each other to keep it straight. Thank you for the clearance. Fred,I've got to go to the Coal Bunker for a time-out! :bag:


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Re: The 28th amendment

PostBy: brckwlt On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:19 pm

smokeyCityTeacher wrote:
Hambden Bob wrote:Grand Madame Lowfog....You have once again proved your fiber of being by clearing up a misconception with fact! Hat's off to you and shame on me. You have shown what the word "fair" means. All anyone can ask for is the truth. We get so little of that. Gerard,like everyone else hear,posts from the heart,I do believe. When something false or misunderstood comes up or out,we rely on each other to keep it straight. Thank you for the clearance. Fred,I've got to go to the Coal Bunker for a time-out! :bag:


Lowfog in 2012 !!!!



she has my vote as well :!:
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Re: The 28th amendment

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:33 pm

Since she's working on her garden,I hear tell she's running on the "Peas and Carrots" Platform. She ought to call it a "Victory Garden". I'll put in a third for "The Fogster"........ :idea:
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Re: The 28th amendment

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:27 pm

This 28th thing must be an email campaign because I have seen it everywhere.

My thoughts and those of the Founders were self evident in that those who 'served' would return to civilian life thereby being subject to the very laws they proposed.

Stunning how far off the rails we have gone.
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Re: The 28th amendment

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:58 pm

Black_And_Blue wrote:This 28th thing must be an email campaign because I have seen it everywhere.

My thoughts and those of the Founders were self evident in that those who 'served' would return to civilian life thereby being subject to the very laws they proposed.

Stunning how far off the rails we have gone.


Isn't that the truth - who would have thunk it. Lisa
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Re: The 28th amendment

PostBy: gerard On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:51 pm

Lisa, thank you for posting the pdf file. I read thru it and unless I missed it, it does not differentiate beetween seantors and concressman, just alludes to members of congress. Not sure if this is also for staffers or just actual congressman and senators. While not sure about congressman, I have read on multiple occasions in various news media that senators get 100% pension after one term. If that is incorrect, it appears somewhat regularly in mainstream media.

I thought my original post made it clear that this was a repost that I saw from the internet meant to stir conversation. Even if the pension claims are inaccurate, they HAVE exempted themselves AND their staffers from the current healthcare law. (Again, unless many news media outlets are disseminating misinformation).

I guess the bottom line, is if the "proposed" 28th amendment would have no net negative on congress, don't you think someone in congress would propose it? The only reason I don't think it was in their originally, is it was so apparent to the founding fathers that all laws should also apply to them, that they didn't think they actually had to say that!
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Re: The 28th amendment

PostBy: Yanche On: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:42 pm

gerard wrote:I thought my original post made it clear that this was a repost that I saw from the internet meant to stir conversation. Even if the pension claims are inaccurate, they HAVE exempted themselves AND their staffers from the current healthcare law. (Again, unless many news media outlets are disseminating misinformation).

I've got several friends with Civil Service retirement pensions and medical coverage. Obviously they are concerned about the new health care law and what might happen to their medical coverage plan. According to their analysis of the law, Members of Congress must choose from the so called "Health Exchange" providers. It is fully expected that the current Congressional medical coverage, i.e., the ones now available to all Federal government employees and retirees will be part of the "Health Exchange". So at least for Congress and Civil Servants it's not any change. You can keep the health coverage you now have or perhaps have more choices.
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Re: The 28th amendment

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:51 am

gerard wrote:Lisa, thank you for posting the pdf file. I read thru it and unless I missed it, it does not differentiate beetween seantors and concressman, just alludes to members of congress. Not sure if this is also for staffers or just actual congressman and senators. While not sure about congressman, I have read on multiple occasions in various news media that senators get 100% pension after one term. If that is incorrect, it appears somewhat regularly in mainstream media.

I thought my original post made it clear that this was a repost that I saw from the internet meant to stir conversation. Even if the pension claims are inaccurate, they HAVE exempted themselves AND their staffers from the current healthcare law. (Again, unless many news media outlets are disseminating misinformation).

I guess the bottom line, is if the "proposed" 28th amendment would have no net negative on congress, don't you think someone in congress would propose it? The only reason I don't think it was in their originally, is it was so apparent to the founding fathers that all laws should also apply to them, that they didn't think they actually had to say that!


I think that the media keeps saying that about retirement because they don't know any better and don't care. This is one thing that everyone can relate to along with health care. It gets folks riled up fast. Prior to 1984 the Congress was covered by the Civilian Retirement System and that was very generous; with that you got 80% of you salary for life and you didn't have to contribute anything. If you retired before 65 you got a percentage less for every year under 65 so the 1 and 2 term members didn't get much at all. The current retirement plan is basically for anyone who is a government office worker. The hourly wage guys have something else.

I agree 100% the Congress should be under the laws they propose and pass for us; without a doubt. These people are not elites, that's not what this country is about. It burns my biscuits that they think they are special. They are not special at all, the young woman I see on my bus everyday that has cerebral palsey but gets up everyday to go to about her business anyway is special. Have you read Thomas Sowell's book "Vision of the Anointed." It's very interesting.

I agree - we shouldn't have to tell the Congress that anything they do apply to them as well. That should be a given. The founding fathers would be appalled at their actions. I wonder how they would feel about the "we, the people" though. We did allow this happen by our inattention and lack of caring. When asked what type of government the Constitutional Congress had give us in 1791, Ben Franklin replied "a Republic if you can keep it." That's the trick because for the most part we just keep voting them in.

I really don't think anyone in the current Congress is going to take the time to propose the Amendment and if they do it won't go anywhere. It will be like the guy who every year proposes the "enumeration bill" where the congress would be forced to say where in the Constitution the authority for a bill comes from. This bill has been put forth for something like 10 terms and nothing has happened. I heard that this was the first year that anyone actually co-sponsored it. No, I think any change is going to have to come from the people through the states or by voting people out. In the mean time we need to just keep on pushing for it anyway. So many people are involved now that things are going to change and we have to have people and ideas to fill the void. You have your idea to push, more will join you - do you know your state Attorney General? How about your state legislative leaders. In my opinion that's where you need to start. I know we can make a difference but it will come from the grassroots up.

Thanks for talking to me - I love having this forum to get my thoughts out. Have a great weekend, Lisa
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Re: The 28th amendment

PostBy: gerard On: Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:24 pm

I agree with your whole post Lisa. I do know my attorney general, congressman, and senators. BUT I come form SUCH a strong democratic state that even though I do write ( maybe asking my congressman what his employment plans are in november when he's voted out doesn't endear me to him??) and once in awhile actually hear back from those who are more media savy, my INDEPENDENT voice rarley gets heard. Yet I drag myself to the polls and vote for the losers still and will continue to do so. I DO think there's hope but I think the swing states will have to start things going. NY is so hopelessly blue due to NYC we might as well be mass. WAIT - didn't they just elect Scoot Brown?? Maybe there's hope yet!! :D
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Re: The 28th amendment

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:22 pm

I often feel the same about Northern VA. For the life of me I can't understand how the middle case of this county puts up with the cr8p the Democrats enact. It drives me crazy. My Representative is Connolly. His entire office staff knows me by name and that's ok. I consider it a badge of honor that I have been hung up on by all of them! As I've said before, he is so close to Pelosi that he has to wipe the brown smudges off his nose when she stops suddenly. My total focus politically is replacing him this NOV. I am way outside my comfort zone but sometimes it just has to be.

Keep up the fight, remember you guys in upstate NY almost won the 23rd district. That's a start. We do live in interesting times. Lisa
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Re: The 28th amendment

PostBy: gerard On: Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:40 pm

We'll get the 23rd back in Nov. That was a serious upset and only because the repubs made a poor iniital choice who backed out at the last minute and endorsed the dem nominee. that district has been republican for the last 100 years and I suspect it will be again shortly.
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Re: The 28th amendment

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:45 pm

Yup,real shortley :)
gerard wrote:We'll get the 23rd back in Nov. That was a serious upset and only because the repubs made a poor iniital choice who backed out at the last minute and endorsed the dem nominee. that district has been republican for the last 100 years and I suspect it will be again shortly.
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