Bush Vs. Obama Pitch

Re: Bush Vs. Obama Pitch

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:09 am

samhill wrote:I don`t believe that anywhere in my post did I say he didn`t get a discharge, I`ve never saw a copy of it so I can`t say for sure but as far as I know there was no record of him making all the obligations. The deferments I mentioned were for the V.P. a total of five, maybe some sort of record.
As for the draft system, IMO there should be at the very least a boot camp experience for each & every able bodied high school graduate then we wouldn`t have half the problems we have today. If something doesn`t happen soon we will run out of volunteers, & you couldn`t blame them at least in V.N. you did your tour & had the choice to get out or re-up & for the most part they were young un-married men without too much of a responsibility at home.



No you didn't say anything about him not getting a discharge. Everyone gets a discharge. His was honorable which indicates he completed his tour fully, with honor. That's not what you implied. However, that's history; what you or I saw or didn't isn't going to change anything. I assume the V.P. you are talking about is Cheney. I never heard that he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth or that his dad was a politician. I could be wrong but I think that he too operated truthfully under the laws in force at that time. If you've heard differently, please forward that information and the source.

I agree 100% with your second sentence. i think there would be a whole lot fewer problems if everyone had to serve six months to a year, no deferments except for bona fide health concerns. Lisa
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Re: Bush Vs. Obama Pitch

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:01 pm

If you just follow the letter of the law then Cheney broke none, but he dropped out of Yale after a little over a year then worked his only private sector job on a phone Co. repair crew then when the draft called he went to Casper C.C. & U. of Wyoming, then three weeks after another draft call he married for another deferment. then in Oct. of 65 they started drafting childless men, nine mo.s & 2days later Elizabeth was born. All told between 63 to 65 Cheney had five deferments, then in 67 he went to the U. of Wisconsin making him save again then he quit that, from there he just wormed his way into politics. I got this from an article "The Curse of Dick Cheney" by T.D. Allman from 04, don`t know if it can be found now. True he was within the law but he sure didn`t have any problem sending others to fight his war. About the only thing he didn`t do is run to Canada.
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Re: Bush Vs. Obama Pitch

PostBy: RMA On: Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:43 pm

tvb wrote:
RMA wrote:
Let's not forget that Pres. Bush did own much of the Texas Rangers for ten years...
and most American Kids can throw a strike when there's no batter...

Bob


Ask the people of Arlington Texas about Bush's reign over the Texas Rangers. They took a 1/2 cent sales tax increase to pay for it after Bush threatened to move the team unless the city built him a new a stadium. Landowners were swindled on the eminent domain seizing of their property and successfully sued.

Prince George sold so he would not have to pay them, effectively passing the buck onto someone else and his other partners. But this was only after he and his partners tried to get the residents of Arlington to pick up that bill too.

And after the stadium was built, the residents of Arlington didn't get any benefit because they gave all sorts of tax exemptions to Bush and company.

Eminent domain seizing of land, sales tax increases and then tax exemptions. That is his legacy as owner of the ball team.

And in the 100 years of a president tossing out the first pitch, it was a democrat who first got one over home plate. His name was Bill Clinton.



Who are you fighting and arguing with?
Obama's pitch was horrible
GWB's was on the money...

Your odd argument can't change the pitches thrown...tell the ump...

Bob
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Re: Bush Vs. Obama Pitch

PostBy: RMA On: Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:38 pm

tvb wrote:
RMA wrote:
Let's not forget that Pres. Bush did own much of the Texas Rangers for ten years...
and most American Kids can throw a strike when there's no batter...

Bob


Ask the people of Arlington Texas about Bush's reign over the Texas Rangers. They took a 1/2 cent sales tax increase to pay for it after Bush threatened to move the team unless the city built him a new a stadium. Landowners were swindled on the eminent domain seizing of their property and successfully sued.

Prince George sold so he would not have to pay them, effectively passing the buck onto someone else and his other partners. But this was only after he and his partners tried to get the residents of Arlington to pick up that bill too.

And after the stadium was built, the residents of Arlington didn't get any benefit because they gave all sorts of tax exemptions to Bush and company.

Eminent domain seizing of land, sales tax increases and then tax exemptions. That is his legacy as owner of the ball team.

And in the 100 years of a president tossing out the first pitch, it was a democrat who first got one over home plate. His name was Bill Clinton.



http://www.baseball-almanac.com/prz_cbc.shtml

No mention of "over the plate" for Clinton, but that didn't make him a bad president :P :P :P

Bob
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Re: Bush Vs. Obama Pitch

PostBy: tvb On: Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:15 pm

LOL@Bob...I up my baseball almanac page to yours. http://www.baseball-almanac.com/firsts/prz_1st.shtml

04-04-1993 President Bill Clinton is the first to throw the first pitch from the pitcher's mound and make it to the catcher.


Of course, I'm assuming that making it to the catcher from the mound means it made it over the plate too.
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Re: Bush Vs. Obama Pitch

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:56 pm



There's pitch at end but they cut it off at last second. :mad: Based on the catcher looks like it just makes it plate. George Bush's pitch was done with authority. :)

He did much better than this guy though.... LOL
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Re: Bush Vs. Obama Pitch

PostBy: RMA On: Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:17 am

tvb wrote:LOL@Bob...I up my baseball almanac page to yours. http://www.baseball-almanac.com/firsts/prz_1st.shtml

04-04-1993 President Bill Clinton is the first to throw the first pitch from the pitcher's mound and make it to the catcher.


Of course, I'm assuming that making it to the catcher from the mound means it made it over the plate too.


Many pitches made from the mound were in the dirt...falling short of "making it to the catcher" in the conventional sense.
Pres. Obama's pitch made it to the catcher too; albeit not over the plate but perhaps closer to the "on deck circle"...
Obama should report to spring training early next year..it would help if he brushed-up on the White Sox line-up too...
GWB may well have been the first to throw a decent strike...and there is no argument of the fact the HE DID practice; an earlier attempt ('93?) was "in the dirt".

Heck, the first baseball I'd throw after football season would sail well over the "target"...
I learned to start at twenty feet and work back to get control...warmin-up
I NEVER threw a ball like Pres. Obama! His pitch really looked like it was the first time he threw a base ball...
which, of course, doesn't make him a bad president...just a lousy pitcher! :sick:

Bob
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