USA-The Laughing Stock Of The World

Re: USA-The Laughing Stock Of The World

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:10 am

No problem Dan, I`ve seen more than I care to remember thats for sure & I have a lot of genuine concern for our troops. But not to worry even if the reduction of nukes ever does take place it will be the older more unstable ones that are dismantled & both sides will lie . On the bright side there will still be more than enough nukes left to cause a nuclear winter & end life as we know it. Modern warfare has gone just like modern medicine, they used to cut the heck out of a knee to scrape the cartilage now they just put a couple holes in & its done. I walked in & had mine done a few years back & walked back out a few hours later, they even put in some cadaver parts but I`ve been wondering about that all of a sudden I can jump higher & have a craving for watermellon. But anyway why destroy the whole country & then send in ground troops, wipe out who & what you need to & let whats left fend for themselves, no more no bid contracts to fix other countries while our own is falling apart.
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Re: USA-The Laughing Stock Of The World

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:24 am

Well I guess we didn't do that to Japan, after the Bataan Death March, etc.; we occupied Japan after the war and did anything but let them fend for themselves, we rebuilt their country for them.
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Re: USA-The Laughing Stock Of The World

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:34 am

Thats what I`m getting at, I don`t know of any other country that does it. And its all done with our tax dollar.
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Re: USA-The Laughing Stock Of The World

PostBy: rberq On: Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:09 am

mikeandgerry wrote: engage us in a contextual representation of the facts

I don't get it. That's what he did. tvb simply pointed out that Ronald Reagan, hero of the American right, had essentially the same goals of reducing nuclear weapons as Barack Obama. And everybody went ballistic and descended into a discussion of who on the forum is more civil than who. The best anyone could do was claim that the Ruskies knew they couldn't fool Reagan, but figured they could fool Obama because they don't respect him. That's a pretty weak argument. Some of you just can't cope with the fact that Obama and Reagan worked toward the same end. I think psychologists call that "cognitive dissonance".

Somebody mentioned nuclear fallout, and whether it does and doesn't travel around the world. When I was a child in the 50's, it was great fun to eat snow (with or without maple syrup), until it was discovered the snow included radioactive fallout and was no longer safe. Nuclear testing was poisoning everybody. That realization led to the test ban treaties.

Read Kurt Vonnegut's novel "Cat's Cradle", where "ice-nine" can be seen to represent the vast nuclear arsenals that could end our civilization in an instant. The looming threat of nuclear war was a constant nightmare for us older folks all through our childhoods, and I for one still fear it. A few dozen nukes are plenty of deterrence against any rational adversary, and there is no deterrence against an irrational one. What is important is to reduce everyone's arsenal to the minimum necessary level, or like the guy who kept the ice-nine, somebody someday is going to slip.
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Re: USA-The Laughing Stock Of The World

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:18 am

I don't understand all this hand wringing. I'm no fan of BHO but this seemed pretty benign to me. One of our nuclear subs has more than enough fire power to get any job done that needs to be done. Each one carries 24 missles with 5 warheads each. And each warhead WAAAAYYYY more powerful than the WWII stuff.

Mutually assured destruction is still in play. I don't think there is any chance we can be seen as "weak". Just a red herring from the neo con warmongers......
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Re: USA-The Laughing Stock Of The World

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:12 pm

With the US at 12k nukes, Russia at 10k and France lagging in third place at <1k(?), the US and Russia can use all kinds of window treatments and still be able to annihilate the world.

It's a non-issue.

We simply aren't going to disarm ourselves unilaterally or significantly.
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Re: USA-The Laughing Stock Of The World

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:15 pm

So basically,it's just another fluke to take focus off meaningful problems?He seems to be real good at this :(
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Re: USA-The Laughing Stock Of The World

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:22 pm

It certainly took the heat off Obamacare for a while. ;)
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Re: USA-The Laughing Stock Of The World

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:23 pm

rberq wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote: engage us in a contextual representation of the facts


Rberq, my comment was really directed at tvb in a general sense, considering her past posts and her current complaints. Her "facts" are laced with vitriol and often out of context.

She is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

She is attempting to cry foul when in fact she plays as rough as the rest of us.

Where you are both wrong on the current issue is that RR's desire to cut nukes came with a total strategy that included a shield to be developed (star wars, or whatever moniker it was given) to make our remaining arsenal more effective.

Obama's plan is to reduce nukes in concert with Russia but he nixed a European missile defense plan because it was offensive to Russia. Obama also seems given to allow other rogue states to develop other WMD.

The whole point is ridiculous grandstanding for the world community. Just look at what resulted from SALT and START...nothing.
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Re: USA-The Laughing Stock Of The World

PostBy: rberq On: Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:29 pm

jpete wrote:It certainly took the heat off Obamacare for a while.

Most of the country is over the health care debate, and waiting to see how the reforms will work out. The ones who are still all excited, are the same ones who were excited over the birth certificate. That finally petered out, so there had to be something to replace it.
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Re: USA-The Laughing Stock Of The World

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:36 pm

not excited--disqusted--my wife,amongst others here, will be terminated(according to the superintendents own statement)because the school will not be able to afford health insurance costs---out w/ the full time,in our case 10 yrs,in w/ the full part time that are not eligable for health ins.---of course,budgeting problems is the catch all excuse given---no admin. positions are being cut---for the record--we didn't give a rats ass about the birth certificate--we knew the guy was a loser from the get go
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Re: USA-The Laughing Stock Of The World

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:46 pm

Richard S. wrote:Can't we have a discussion without the names, innuendo and everything else?

It gets tiring when I have to keep repeating myself.



Richard is correct - can't we have a discussion without name calling and labels ?

If some pond scum, marxist, left wing zombie wants to post his/her vile political enema wash - then could you all have a little respect and allow that person to do without without name calling and labeling ?

C'mon people - show a little maturity and stop this negativity!
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Re: USA-The Laughing Stock Of The World

PostBy: JohnMck On: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:17 am

"I don't get it. That's what he did. tvb simply pointed out that Ronald Reagan, hero of the American right, had essentially the same goals of reducing nuclear weapons as Barack Obama. And everybody went ballistic and descended into a discussion of who on the forum is more civil than who. The best anyone could do was claim that the Ruskies knew they couldn't fool Reagan, but figured they could fool Obama because they don't respect him. That's a pretty weak argument. Some of you just can't cope with the fact that Obama and Reagan worked toward the same end. I think psychologists call that "cognitive dissonance". "

I remember Ronald Reagan dealing with he Russians. I also remember the deals he struck with them. I remember a lot of talk about removing Medium Range Ballistic missiles from Eurpope. Thease missiles were removed and replaced with cruise missiles, a newer and better technology. No warheads were removed.
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Re: USA-The Laughing Stock Of The World

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:48 am

rberq wrote:Most of the country is over the health care debate, and waiting to see how the reforms will work out. The ones who are still all excited, are the same ones who were excited over the birth certificate. That finally petered out, so there had to be something to replace it.


That's an interesting blanket statement. Coming from a lib who clearly stated he is more than willing to buy a used car sight unseen. Just the kind of voter Mr. Soetoro loves. Plenty of evidence out there about our illustrious Marxist NWO shill. Exciting or terrifying?
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