samhill wrote:Lisa, if you truly believe that the problems with this country have all been caused by the liberals that in itself speaks volumes, and that the conservative side has spoken nothing but the truth & that this whole mess with the bail outs, health care, banking & anything else thats coming down the pike is all one sides fault then I will not even waste ur or my time."
My problem is that you say you are the middle of the road but you keep saying that neither of the parties did anything while they were in office and then seem to only "jump" on the right's stand. That's why I believe you to be a liberal. As I have said before there is plenty of blame to go around and we need to fix it but for pete's sake recognize that when the Republicans last had power they did something, i.e. the Welfare Reform Act of 1996 before screwing up again and being removed from power because of it. Recognize that the Republicans were literally locked out of the conversation during the recent health care debacle. Also recognize that since the Democrats have returned to power the DEFICIT has quadrupled and more spending is coming. These are all facts and can be documented. So no I don't believe that the liberals are solely responsible for the mess we are in but I also recognize who has been in control of the Congress the past decade and it's not been the Republicans! Yes, the deficient rose significantly under Bush but that could only have happened with a willing Democratic Congress. That is a fact.
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samhill wrote:If you would take the time to read what I said was that I didn`t agree that it was right from either side but that it is not against the law.
This is my point - "You don't know if these things" - (i.e. Republican negative behavior) "are happening for sure" so you are passing on conjecture that as far as you know has no basis in truth. I note that every one of your examples - "untruths in the HC bill, the rep. that shouted out you lie to the Pres and more" can be documented in various media outlets. That makes them facts. You pass along facts, not conjecture. Conjecture is saying that the right as a whole has been guilty of the same kind of behavior as the left and not backing it up with fact.
samhill wrote:As I pointed out in the citizen dispute, it has been accepted as fact though the venting, courts, papers have been provided & accepted but it still keeps coming up that its all a lie, so I ask you how would a fact be proven as such?
I don't know what you have been reading since you don't like to provide links but I have yet to see any court finding that states without a doubt that Obama's citizenship has been proven as fact. There have been several court challenges that have been found to be without standing and therefore dropped. The state of Hawaii has said that the Birth Certificate exists but he refuses to release it; perfectly legal under current law. Before anyone here casts me as a "birther" I not. Obama was born of an American mother and as long as the required paperwork was filed with the State Department he is an American Citizen no matter where he was born. That paperwork has not been made available either so that's why the question continues. A simple phone call from Obama to the Hawaii Dept of Vital Records could remove all doubt. As for vetting of Obama, give me a break. The folks responsible for his vetting, the media have screwed us over on this. Tell me what did Obama do academically while at Occidental College or at Columbia? He would have us believe he never wrote a paper or completed an academic study at any time in his life. He is the first Editor of the Harvard Law Review that never published an article? How about a Law Professor that never published anything academic either? Where did he get the money to travel around the world as he did between stops at the various schools his attended?
samhill wrote:... If you would do me a favor & read your very first line, "it doesn`t matter if you think its right", I don`t believe that I ever said that, I don`t always express myself correctly but please don`t put words in my mouth.
***Samhill also wrote in previous post: " I don`t know if these things are happening for sure, just like everything that is on the net about untruths in the HC bill, the rep. that shouted out you lie to the Pres., thats freedom of speech. I`m just pointing out that its not right for either side, IMO but that its legal to do."
I am not putting words in your mouth your own words provide the implication that "You don't know if these things" - (i.e. Republican negative behavior) "are happening for sure" yet you pass it along as right. I merely pointed out that what you feel is right isn't necessarily true because of your perception. You must feel that is right (as in correct information) or you wouldn't have passed it along.