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Should a loaded assault rifle be allowed on a tour of the White House, Senate, or House?

Poll ended at Tue May 04, 2010 7:09 pm

Yes
6
21%
No
23
79%
 
Total votes : 29

Re: Gun question

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:49 am

brckwlt wrote:No the tea party movement DID NOT start a few years ago you are wrong.

Really?

That's going to come as a shock to my friend that was nearly killed driving up from PA in an ice storm so we could see Rand Paul and others speak in Boston in '07 on the anniversary of the TEA PARTY.

And I nearly got heat stroke at the Freedom March in July of '08 in D.C. I'm glad you were there and know what it was all about so you can tell me that it didn't happen.

What do you think Rick Santelli was ranting about on CNBC? Do you think he pulled the phrase "tea party" out of thin air?

No. He was talking about reenactments taking place all over the country raising money for Ron Paul and protesting the Bush administration. Those rallys raised over $6 million in one day. A record setting amount.
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:19 am

outstanding PE--I can only speak for me,but 3 girls & 2 boys later,all in thier 20's,30's & one just 40--they all learned gun safety at about 8 yrs old,they could all cluster a bulls eye at 50 yds by the time they were 9--they all were familiar w/ the Constitution--Memorial Day,Veterans Day & the 4th of July--they were taught all these things at home---they are not all in agreement w/ what goes on in Iran,Iraq & Afghanistan--but they are damn sure in agreement W/ supporting our troops--most of them voted for BO because of his CHANGE platform--but as of yesterday are all dissapointed with the fact that they did so.Our oldest girl turned me onto the name of Allen West--I Googled him & was pretty impressed.
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: brckwlt On: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:28 am

jpete wrote:
brckwlt wrote:No the tea party movement DID NOT start a few years ago you are wrong.

Really?

That's going to come as a shock to my friend that was nearly killed driving up from PA in an ice storm so we could see Rand Paul and others speak in Boston in '07 on the anniversary of the TEA PARTY.

And I nearly got heat stroke at the Freedom March in July of '08 in D.C. I'm glad you were there and know what it was all about so you can tell me that it didn't happen.

What do you think Rick Santelli was ranting about on CNBC? Do you think he pulled the phrase "tea party" out of thin air?

No. He was talking about reenactments taking place all over the country raising money for Ron Paul and protesting the Bush administration. Those rallys raised over $6 million in one day. A record setting amount.



that is different then whats going on now

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests it started in early jan once barry was elected
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:23 am

brckwlt wrote:
jpete wrote:
brckwlt wrote:No the tea party movement DID NOT start a few years ago you are wrong.

Really?

That's going to come as a shock to my friend that was nearly killed driving up from PA in an ice storm so we could see Rand Paul and others speak in Boston in '07 on the anniversary of the TEA PARTY.

And I nearly got heat stroke at the Freedom March in July of '08 in D.C. I'm glad you were there and know what it was all about so you can tell me that it didn't happen.

What do you think Rick Santelli was ranting about on CNBC? Do you think he pulled the phrase "tea party" out of thin air?

No. He was talking about reenactments taking place all over the country raising money for Ron Paul and protesting the Bush administration. Those rallys raised over $6 million in one day. A record setting amount.


that is different then whats going on now

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests it started in early jan once barry was elected


No it isn't. I was there in July of 08 also. This started way back during the campaign, the media just failed to report it believing if you ignore it it would go away. So... I wonder how that is working out for them. Tea Party membership grows with leaps and bounds and more mainstream media outlets are cutting staff or closing down completely. Interesting, don't you think? Lisa
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:13 pm

brckwlt wrote:
jpete wrote:
brckwlt wrote:No the tea party movement DID NOT start a few years ago you are wrong.

Really?

That's going to come as a shock to my friend that was nearly killed driving up from PA in an ice storm so we could see Rand Paul and others speak in Boston in '07 on the anniversary of the TEA PARTY.

And I nearly got heat stroke at the Freedom March in July of '08 in D.C. I'm glad you were there and know what it was all about so you can tell me that it didn't happen.

What do you think Rick Santelli was ranting about on CNBC? Do you think he pulled the phrase "tea party" out of thin air?

No. He was talking about reenactments taking place all over the country raising money for Ron Paul and protesting the Bush administration. Those rallys raised over $6 million in one day. A record setting amount.



that is different then whats going on now

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests it started in early jan once barry was elected


You definition of what constitutes a "Tea Party" might have started on 1/20/09 because people were protesting a popular president vs. an unpopular one. I know for damn sure Faux News wasn't there.

The Tea Parties are named "tea parties" due to Ron Paul's fund raiser on the anniversary of the original event. You can choose to believe that or not. I was there, you were not.
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:40 pm

I must be pretty friggin dumb,I thought the concept of TEA PARTY happened in Boston Harbor in the 1700's when people got fed up w/over taxation & the like---I guess I need to get off the farm more often and see what's going on in the real world :( or could this be the continuation of an age old problem that started due to a need for it to start---you know,everything doesn't need a name & a date---people just need to get off thier asses & help change things that ain't right :) I believe that should start in Nov. 2010 :shock:
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: brckwlt On: Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:00 pm

i stopped caring when the tea party started.

it has really been going on since 1773 so fred is right and jpete is wrong
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:39 pm

brckwlt wrote:i stopped caring when the tea party started.

it has really been going on since 1773 so fred is right and jpete is wrong


Care to point to all those Tea Party Rallies prior to 2007?
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:44 pm

I coulda sworn that was a rally in 1773---does that help w/ your question :)
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: brckwlt On: Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:14 pm

jpete,

here chew on this for awhile ... looks like a tea party before your messiah ron paul was ever part of one


American activists from a variety of political viewpoints have invoked the Tea Party as a symbol of protest. In 1973, on the 200th anniversary of the Tea Party, a mass meeting at Faneuil Hall called for the impeachment of President Richard Nixon and protested oil companies in the ongoing oil crisis. Afterwards, protesters boarded a replica ship in Boston Harbor, hanged Nixon in effigy, and dumped several empty oil drums into the harbor.[66] In 1998, two conservative US Congressmen put the federal tax code into a chest marked "tea" and dumped it into the harbor.[67]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

look in the influence section

its right before ronald pauls lone one day tea party ... which is much much much different then what is going on now ... how dont u see that :confused:
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:48 pm

brckwlt wrote:its right before ronald pauls lone one day tea party ... which is much much much different then what is going on now ... how dont u see that :confused:


So Rick Santelli in his famous rant on the Chicago exchange floor was talking about a protest against Richard Nixon 30 years prior?

A) It wasn't a one day event.

B) It was specifically called and held on the anniversary of the Tea Party.

C) You were there then and now to know the difference between the two?

I've been to them. I've listened to the speeches. I've done the leg work. There may be more people attending them, but I assure you, the spirit and sentiment of the one in 2007 is exactly the same as any you are likely to attend today.

If it's really important that you feel like you're right, then I'll let it go. But why not just give a little credit where it's due and move on?
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:52 pm

freetown fred wrote:I coulda sworn that was a rally in 1773---does that help w/ your question :)


No, what would answer my question is to point to all the ones between 1774 and 2007. So far, he's come up with 2. And one was targeting one guy in particular and the other seems to have been attended by 2 people.

If it's important to you that you be right, then fine. You're right. The Tea Parties started because there was a mass uprising of Klan members coming out of the wood work after 1/20/2009 that some how couldn't be bothered to vote for the white guy.

Feel better to paint everyone with a roller?
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: brckwlt On: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:30 pm

okay i guess i should of stopped before when i said i didnt care. Looks like you are right ... ron paul formed and started the tea party and the current tea party movement we know and love today. God bless him for being a true patriot
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:22 pm

mozz wrote:No loaded guns allowed in DC, so your story is wrong. The rally was for open carry. The president didn't just sign a law, it's always been there. No guns on federal property so the question is moot.


Eventually when the government owns most of the country - carry will be illegal in most of the country - just like religious expression (other than Christan of course) will also be unconstitutional due to the elimination (i mean separation) of church from state.
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Tue May 04, 2010 12:48 pm

rberq wrote:I'm posting in Thoughtful and Intelligent Debates in the hopes of keeping it thoughtful and intelligent.
I read today of a rally near Washington, in a national park, where people carried loaded guns, supported by the law President Obama recently signed.
Let's assume the Supreme Court affirms a general right of citizens to carry loaded firearms.
The poll question is, should we be allowed to carry a loaded assault rifle on a tour of the White House, Senate chambers, and House chambers?
Yeah, I know some will say we should carry them ESPECIALLY there. But seriously, what do you think? What should be the limits, if any, to the right to bear arms?


Mr. Berq,

You are confusing civil rights with national security. The argument is flawed. Try again.
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