Gun question

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Should a loaded assault rifle be allowed on a tour of the White House, Senate, or House?

Poll ended at Tue May 04, 2010 7:09 pm

Yes
6
21%
No
23
79%
 
Total votes : 29

Gun question

PostBy: rberq On: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:09 pm

I'm posting in Thoughtful and Intelligent Debates in the hopes of keeping it thoughtful and intelligent.
I read today of a rally near Washington, in a national park, where people carried loaded guns, supported by the law President Obama recently signed.
Let's assume the Supreme Court affirms a general right of citizens to carry loaded firearms.
The poll question is, should we be allowed to carry a loaded assault rifle on a tour of the White House, Senate chambers, and House chambers?
Yeah, I know some will say we should carry them ESPECIALLY there. But seriously, what do you think? What should be the limits, if any, to the right to bear arms?
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: mozz On: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:13 pm

No loaded guns allowed in DC, so your story is wrong. The rally was for open carry. The president didn't just sign a law, it's always been there. No guns on federal property so the question is moot.
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: brckwlt On: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:13 pm

I think you should be able to carry a loaded weapon to the white house, but have the weapon checked at a holding station before you are allowed to enter the white house then you could pick it back up on your way out. I dont think its a good idea for civilians to carry a loaded weapon into the white house, but outside of it i see no problems what so ever.
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: PC 12-47E On: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:35 pm

Yes, Only a federal agents with a clear backround check. ie, FBI, Secret Service etc......
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: rberq On: Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:23 pm

brckwlt wrote:I dont think its a good idea for civilians to carry a loaded weapon into the white house, but outside of it i see no problems what so ever.

What's special about the White House? If it's legal, it's legal.
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:35 pm

What's the point of your dastardly liberal bait poll? To enrage decent Constitution loving Americans? Why don't you go kiss your picture of Obama that's ironed on to your pillowcase. NRA forever.
No, we should disarm everybody and live in a Socialist Utopia.
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:42 pm

:D
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: brckwlt On: Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:24 pm

rberq wrote:
brckwlt wrote:I dont think its a good idea for civilians to carry a loaded weapon into the white house, but outside of it i see no problems what so ever.

What's special about the White House? If it's legal, it's legal.


well lets see here ... what is so special about the white house hmmm :gee: ohh yeah thats where the president lives ... and other important people are during the day. use your head ... you wouldnt want some lunatic to go into the white house with a loaded gun and kill someone or even kill the president.

that should be pretty obvious :roll:
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:35 pm

This is a pretty stupid question. :(
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: pvolcko On: Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:23 am

First, it is my understanding that there were no loaded rifles at the rally in VA that you mentioned. Rifles were unloaded and no loaded magazines/clips for them either. There were loaded pistols, in accordance with the law.

Second, what is the point of this question? While some states and towns do allow open and even concealed carry in certain public and state buildings, particularly in off hours, there is no push or interest on the part of any lobbying group I know of it get such a law passed for federal buildings, much less the White House. Generally even the most ardent pro-gun/pro-2nd-amendment advocates I know recognize the need for certain reasonable limits on the exercise of the right. Such limits need to be explicit, clearly written, limited in scope (time, place, types of arms) and not used as a tool for backdoor gun bans (such as what has recently been done in some states where gun shows have been banned from all publicly owned property).

Would the White House qualify as a reasonable zone for banning of personally carried weapons? Of course. Please, be serious.
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: rberq On: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:59 am

brckwlt wrote:
rberq wrote:well lets see here ... what is so special about the white house hmmm :gee: ohh yeah thats where the president lives ... and other important people are during the day. use your head ... you wouldnt want some lunatic to go into the white house with a loaded gun and kill someone or even kill the president.

Very true. But I wouldn't want some lunatic to go into a shopping mall and kill my neighbors, either. Even if it is not "important people" (your criterion) who are killed. And some parents get pretty wound up at Little League games, to the point that apparently-normal people physically attack the umpires. How about if these same normal people are carrying loaded pistols on their hip?
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: rberq On: Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:12 am

Dann757 wrote:What's the point of your dastardly liberal bait poll?

stokerscot wrote:This is a pretty stupid question.

Stupid? Well, yes and no. You will notice we have at least one "yes" vote for carrying a loaded assault rifle on a White House tour.

"... the right of the people to ... BEAR arms, shall not be infringed." If it said, "... the right of the people to wear suspenders shall not be infringed", then discussion of the White House location would be truly silly. But it seems to me that the wording is very clear in both cases, arms or suspenders.
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:58 am

rberq,you continue to humor Momma & me :rambo2: :junmp:
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: sterling40man On: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:00 am

NO!!! Only Federal Officers should carry, period.
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Re: Gun question

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:07 am

conceled weapons permit allows law abiding CITIZENS to carry a loaded weapon to protect themselvs.

funny how this thread is titled yet then the op talks about the pres and a law and loaded weapons and such then jumps like a metranome to the opposite spectrum and corollates carrying a loaded assault rifle....


how bout a grenade launcher or shoulder fired law's rocket? or bazzoka??

conceled means just that so stupid is as stupid does...

Dan757 was right in his response..

the attention sought was indeed recieved, now how about them Mets?????
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