HHS: Health Care Costs to INCREASE Part 2

HHS: Health Care Costs to INCREASE Part 2

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:55 am


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36726295/ns/politics-health_care_reform//deck/
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


The office that keeps the books on Medicare says the new health insurance bill is no good. What a surprise.

I say we will follow Greece down the drain inside ten years.
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Re: How come no one consulted these guys?

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:15 am

Pretty scary, especially coming from MSNBC.

Here's another article, MSNBC didn't forget to blame the Republicans this time. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36721139/ns ... re_reform/

"Nearly 4 million Americans — the vast majority of them middle class — will have to pay the new penalty for not getting health insurance when President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law kicks in, according to congressional estimates released Thursday.

The penalties will average a little more than $1,000 apiece in 2016, the Congressional Budget Office said in a report.

Most of the people paying the fine will be middle class. Obama pledged in 2008 not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $200,000 a year and couples making less than $250,000."
mmmm mmmm mmmm
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Re: How come no one consulted these guys?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:43 am

In November they said pretty much the same thing, so did the CBO.
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Re: HHS: Health Care Costs to INCREASE

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:06 am

The previous discussion where the CBO and HHS analysis said about the same thing back in November can be found here.

HHS Analysis: Health Care Cost to INCREASE


WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law will increase the nation's health care tab instead of bringing costs down, government economic forecasters concluded Thursday in a sobering assessment of the sweeping legislation.

A report by economic experts at the Health and Human Services Department said the health care remake will achieve Obama's aim of expanding health insurance — adding 34 million Americans to the coverage rolls.

But the analysis also found that the law falls short of the president's twin goal of controlling runaway costs. It also warned that Medicare cuts may be unrealistic and unsustainable, driving about 15 percent of hospitals into the red and "possibly jeopardizing access" to care for seniors.


So what now? Path to single payer as hospitals and insurance companies fail? November cannot get here soon enough. This thing needs to be repealed yesterday.
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Re: HHS: Health Care Costs to INCREASE Part 2

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:31 am

I think that is the specific plan Richard.

They have to make the current situation so bad that we beg for their alternative. Single payer was always the goal. This current plan is just a means to an end.

Slightly off topic but not....has anyone seen Greece today?
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Re: HHS: Health Care Costs to INCREASE Part 2

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:01 am

jpete wrote:Slightly off topic but not....has anyone seen Greece today?


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... mpIQJxYVNA

I don't really understand what is going on there. Everybody wants a high-paid government union job and there's no real euros to pay for it, and the rest of the European Union doesn't want to loan them more Euros? That they can't pay back because everybody lays back in the sun drinking wine and eating Gyros? Or takes three months off work because they feel exhausted? hahahahhaha is that european socialism?
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Re: HHS: Health Care Costs to INCREASE Part 2

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:33 am

Dann757 wrote:
jpete wrote:Slightly off topic but not....has anyone seen Greece today?


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... mpIQJxYVNA

I don't really understand what is going on there. Everybody wants a high-paid government union job and there's no real euros to pay for it, and the rest of the European Union doesn't want to loan them more Euros? That they can't pay back because everybody lays back in the sun drinking wine and eating Gyros? Or takes three months off work because they feel exhausted? hahahahhaha is that european socialism?


You understand the situation just fine Dan. That's Greece today, Spain and Portugal tomorrow and the US in a couple of years. When you have more people working for the government then running job creating small business you don't have enough people paying taxes in to the system and like the house of cards it is, it all falls down. The trend is there for all to see if they want to. That's the problem no one wants to look beyond tomorrow because by then it's someone else's problem. We do live in interesting times. Lisa
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Re: HHS: Health Care Costs to INCREASE Part 2

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:51 pm

Hi all,

I came across this posting from Congresswoman Michelle Bachman. It is very clear about what is coming our way if the Health Care Bill is not repealed quickly. Yeah, I know it's from a Conservative Website; so what - if you can document that this bad information let's hear it. Lisa

http://townhall.com/blog/g/103eb914-1b2 ... Descending
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Re: HHS: Health Care Costs to INCREASE Part 2

PostBy: brckwlt On: Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:13 am

jpete wrote:I think that is the specific plan Richard.

They have to make the current situation so bad that we beg for their alternative. Single payer was always the goal. This current plan is just a means to an end.

Slightly off topic but not....has anyone seen Greece today?



i think you are dead on the money with the first part of your statement.

and no i havent seen greece today, im sure it sucks there
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Re: HHS: Health Care Costs to INCREASE Part 2

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:43 am

lowfog01 wrote:http://townhall.com/blog/g/103eb914-1b2 ... Descending


Now Lisa,

There was an awful lot of liberal bashing on that website.


It was thoroughly enjoyable and I bookmarked it!
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Re: HHS: Health Care Costs to INCREASE Part 2

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:34 pm

brckwlt wrote:and no i havent seen greece today, im sure it sucks there


This is what happens when you run out of money to pay all the public employees and pensioners.
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Re: HHS: Health Care Costs to INCREASE Part 2

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:15 pm

jpete wrote:
brckwlt wrote:and no i havent seen greece today, im sure it sucks there


This is what happens when you run out of money to pay all the public employees and pensioners.


Sort of looks like the '68 riots. I was in Atlanta at the time and it was scary. I hope it doesn't come to that but when folks find out that Obama doesn't really have a "stash" of money who knows what will happen. Lisa
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