And then they came for the farms.....

Re: And then they came for the farms.....

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:56 am

Its not just an Amish thing, my neighbor in Ohio isn`t allowed to sell his milk to a Pa. dairy but the Ohio carrier he deals with sells in both states & gets a better price in Pa. The middle man can do it but the farmer can`t. Its the same old story, the big producers want to drive the little guy out, the Wal Mart way of doing business, they aren`t happy with most of the business they want it all.
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Re: And then they came for the farms.....

PostBy: crazy4coal On: Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:23 am

Sounds like Wall st.
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Re: And then they came for the farms.....

PostBy: cokehead On: Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:55 am

The law is used by big business which is in bed with government to gain control of the whole kit and kabootal. Fewer laws would help the small farmer compete. Having control of our food production concentrated in just a handful of huge corporations is dangerous. When I can, I try to buy direct from local farmers but it isn't easy or convenient. If more people did it the easier and more diversity there would be.
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Re: And then they came for the farms.....

PostBy: wlape3 On: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:57 am

cokehead wrote:The law is used by big business which is in bed with government to gain control of the whole kit and kabootal. Fewer laws would help the small farmer compete. Having control of our food production concentrated in just a handful of huge corporations is dangerous. When I can, I try to buy direct from local farmers but it isn't easy or convenient. If more people did it the easier and more diversity there would be.


I agree. I buy cider, apples and eggs from my neighbor whenever I can. I also buy local bread and other products when available. Supporting your local economy helps your friends and neighbors help you.
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Re: And then they came for the farms.....

PostBy: cokehead On: Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:12 am

Looks like local government can go just as bad as the Feds. Officials in Roswell, Georgia harassed a good man to death. Just goes to prove my theory that sociopaths are attracted to positions of authority.

http://www.naturalnews.com/035524_Andre ... ckens.html

This sort of thing makes me sick.







http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/27766 ... his-battle
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Re: And then they came for the farms.....

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:28 am

In MA you can buy raw milk from the farmer...
But raw milk can not be sold in retail stores...
we get ours from paskamansett farms in Dartmouth...
It is a co-op kinda thing...
http://paskamansettfarms.com/luckythecow.html
DA Regs...
http://www.mass.gov/agr/legal/regs/330_CMR_27.00.pdf
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Re: And then they came for the farms.....

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:47 am

Maybe its my generation but I freakin hate raw milk. I like the full pasteurized homoganized whole vitamin D milk. Brother in law has a dairy farm and dont get me wrong, gov should stay outta the business as much as possible but ive had the straight milk and goddamn yuck.
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Re: And then they came for the farms.....

PostBy: cokehead On: Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:40 am

More about the harassment and death of Andrew Wordes, the latest over the top victim of a abuse of power.


Part 2
Last edited by Richard S. on Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: And then they came for the farms.....

PostBy: cokehead On: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:57 am

This is an excerpt from an article entitled, "Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores":

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/rural ... rm-chores/

"“Losing that work-ethic — it’s so hard to pick this up later in life,” Clark said. “There’s other ways to learn how to farm, but it’s so hard. You can learn so much more working on the farm when you’re 12, 13, 14 years old.”

John Weber, 19, understands this. The Minneapolis native grew up in suburbia and learned the livestock business working summers on his relatives’ farm."

The progressives are so busy trying to "protect" us they are destroying our society. I can't believe they are that misguided. I contend the incremental destruction of our society IS the goal so they can implement their version of global governance. We are looking at a slow societal death by bureaucratic tyranny.
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Re: And then they came for the farms.....

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:17 am

Good bit of difference between the actual bill & the way the con. spin comes out.
http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/whd/WHD20111250.htm
Has little to nothing to do with a family farm or the children but has a lot to do with the safety of under aged workers on the mega farms. A grain elevator & silos are highly dangerous things among others.
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Re: And then they came for the farms.....

PostBy: cokehead On: Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:45 am

samhill wrote:Good bit of difference between the actual bill & the way the con. spin comes out.
http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/whd/WHD20111250.htm
Has little to nothing to do with a family farm or the children but has a lot to do with the safety of under aged workers on the mega farms. A grain elevator & silos are highly dangerous things among others.


News Release
WHD News Release: [08/31/2011]
"......The proposed regulations would not apply to children working on farms owned by their parents."

I'm digging a little deeper Sam. What is "con." stand for?

OK, the press release dated 8-31-2011 say the regs don't apply to farms owned by the parents. What about the next door neighbor's or a relative's farm. Where do the draw the line between "protecting" and smothering? Would it be illegal for the horse farm that allowed me to clean stalls and operate their tractor? (I was 16) I wasn't related to them in any way and no on forced me to do it.

I was talking to a grower of hot house tomatoes. He is 80 something years old and picking his own tomatoes on a Sunday. It was humbling to watch him work as I talked with him. No moss growing on that man. He was grumbling that no one wants to work. He had beautiful tomatoes spoiling on the vines, because of a lack of help. Would the farm labor laws make it illegal for him to give a kid a chance? I'm not promoting child abuse. I'm saying laws cut two ways. Legalism is stifling.

Here is another article that I think is balanced. http://bearingdrift.com/2012/04/25/the- ... ct-chores/.

I have to move on to doing other things. I tried finding the actual proposed regulations but it has eluded me. Usually they are very hard to understand the way they are written and very long.
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Re: And then they came for the farms.....

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:27 am

Nothing sinister there Cokehead, I'm not a typist by any means so I just shorten conservative to con. just like lib. is shortened. I've worked farms in my younger summers as well & there were things that we weren't allowed to do back then. Just think of how close to the ground & limber kids are, I bet they can out pick many of their parents & I would also bet they wouldn't get paid the same. I found out on my own that the Black Angus aren't anywhere near as social as the dairy cows, I would hate to see what would happen to a small person that gets into the wrong position, small farms can be pretty much controlled but the bigger you get the worse it gets, grain elevators & silos aren't forgiving at all.
It only applies to under aged hired workers on certain jobs & totally exempts the farmers family but I think that should be covered even if most farmers have a lot of common sense but if they aren't being paid there is no jurisdiction.
http://webapps.dol.gov/FederalRegister/HtmlDisplay.aspx?DocId=25286&Month=9&Year=2011
If you think about it in this day & age it really has a lot to do with our sue happy culture & helps protect both employers & employees. Back in my day if I got hurt it was my own dumb fault & they bet I'd know better next time.
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Re: And then they came for the farms.....

PostBy: cokehead On: Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:24 am

Hi Sam, I opened the link for the law dated 9-2-2011. Is that the latest version? That is a lot of reading. I need get off the computer and so some real work. I book marked the law. It is a lot to understand. I'll look at it as I have time and motivation.
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Re: And then they came for the farms.....

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:02 pm

sue happy culture & helps protect both employers & employees.


and we know Obummer will not champion tort reform or in fact ANYTHING to promote US business at any level. Romney is no better and it looks like the opportunity to turn this place around is now lost. We are now Japan for the next generation if we are lucky and that is very optimistic.
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Re: And then they came for the farms.....

PostBy: Paulie On: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:47 am

Raw milk should be available to those who want it, at their own risk. Though small, there is risk, and that is why the feds
were on him. The laws should be changed to allow for those who want raw milk to be able to get it. One size does not fit all :D
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