Sounded easy at first

Sounded easy at first

PostBy: tsb On: Sun May 23, 2010 9:02 pm

I've burned coal for years. First hand fired, then I got a Leisure Line stoker. My house
is a big old grist mill with 2000 sq ft per floor. We heat two floors and the ground floor
basement is unheated. Old Houses
The stoker and hand fired stoves work well to keep the main living
floor warm and the heat rises to the bedrooms up stairs, but the bathrooms are cut off
from the heat unless the doors are alway open. It's tough to train quests and others to leave
bathroom doors open. Soooo I got the idea to build a small stoker boiler to heat the three
bathrooms and give the basement a little heat to help keep the floors warm. Can't be that
hard or time consuming. Oh yes it can.
Building the boiler was the easy and cheap part.
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Fabricating is what I do for a living. The design was provided by a consultant that rents
office space form us. He dove right in and dreamed up a beauty.
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A pipe design with removable and reflective side panels. The balancing tubes are internal.
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The domed cap provides space for the bulk of the water and the domestic hot water.
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The removable base gave me access to weld the pipes and inner welds and the ability to
determine the location of the smoke pipe.
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The side panels have a polished stainless panel that faced the heat. The cap has a reflective panel also.
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We insulated the body and skinned it with 409 stainless. Gave it a test fire and dragged it home.
This is where the fun and expense started.
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Not only was the SOB heavy as all get out, but if fit through the door with only a hair to spare.
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My fingers are getting tired. I'll get to the fun part in a few hours.
There seems to be an extra picture that i can't get rid of. No matter.
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tsb
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Binford 2000
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL Pioneer top vent
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Saey Hanover II

Re: Sounded easy at first

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun May 23, 2010 9:48 pm

You've got me hooked...waiting for part 2!
BTW great job on the boiler, I wish I could build works of art like that.
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Sounded easy at first

PostBy: brckwlt On: Sun May 23, 2010 9:59 pm

thats great, looking forward to the second part as well.


GREAT JOB :up:
brckwlt
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Axeman-Anderson
Stove/Furnace Model: Rebuilt 1953 AA-130

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Re: Sounded easy at first

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun May 23, 2010 10:24 pm

Very impressive!

What are you using for a stoker?
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Sounded easy at first

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sun May 23, 2010 10:29 pm

The damned thing is a work of art! What's next,a knock-off of an M-1 Abrams Tank ?........Beautiful ! You have made my night. Thanx for fighting the current dumbdown trend in America. :clap:
Hambden Bob
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman 1998 Magnum Stoker
Coal Size/Type: Rice-A-Roni !

Re: Sounded easy at first

PostBy: tsb On: Sun May 23, 2010 11:00 pm

The stoker was the first real cash output. I got the grate from a well know stove maker.
The stoker blower and feed motor came from amazon online sellers. I made the stoker
framework, but the motors and grate were about $250.00. Ok, not so bad but we're just
getting started. Me and the local plumbing supply house became blood brothers. I'd stop
in every day after work, and they would tap a pint. I'm O neg but that did't cut any cheese with them.
The steel fittings for the supply and return lines, a circulator for the upstairs zones and one for the
basement dump zone, ouch this is starting to hurt. The zone valves, the aquastat, the over temp sensor,
the feeder low speed timer, the expansion tank, the auto fill, the check valve, the auto air bleeders, the
modine unit for the dump zone, yo this is really starting to get serious ! Now we have to get the domestic
hot water coil. Ouch !!!!!
The chimney in the picture has been there for 30 years unused. The mason that built the chimney for the
upstairs stove, made it a twin chimney for stability and you never know when you'll need another. He did
not cut the thimble. I figured, how hard could it be to cut in a 6 inch thimble ? Another blood bath. It only
took about two hours and a box of bandaids. I used a star chisel and a diamond wheel on a grinder to get
through the cement block shell. After that I laid waste to the clay liner with a ball peen hammer. Did a hell
of a job. I grouted the thimble with hydraulic cement. The stove pipe is more of the 409 stainless. The baro
damper is another $ 30.00 bucks.
Did I forget the baseboard units, the thermostats, the pex tubing, the shark bite fittings, the manual bleeders,
the pex support clips, wire ties, 24 volt transformer, copper tubing for the DHW, copper tubing to get to the pex,
boiler ball valves for drains, circulator isolation ball valves, JHC this is really getting serious.
tsb
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Binford 2000
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL Pioneer top vent
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Saey Hanover II

Re: Sounded easy at first

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Sun May 23, 2010 11:45 pm

WOW!!!!
jeromemsn
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker 90 dvc
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman elite fireplace insert

Re: Sounded easy at first

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Mon May 24, 2010 7:12 am

Do you have any photos of the stoker assembly?
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Sounded easy at first

PostBy: europachris On: Mon May 24, 2010 7:19 am

Beautiful work! I think there will always be a percentage of people who have this "disease" most all of us here have - the burning desire to DIY something even if you can buy it in the store. Not because we are cheap, although thrifty would be a good description, but because simply it gives great pleasure to construct something that will stand testament to our existence. Oh, and the looks you get from people when you say "I built this" are just priceless! :P

I'm looking forward to being in your spot soon as I get my EFM boiler and Iron Fireman stoker refurbished and installed on a custom base I'm fabricating. But it's nothing close to the project you've undertaken!

Can't wait to hear how it heats.....although that's gonna be a while now, eh? Yesterday was 89 and humid, today is more of the same. A/C!

Chris
europachris
 
Stove/Furnace Make: EFM 350/Iron Fireman
Stove/Furnace Model: Custom bituminous burner

Re: Sounded easy at first

PostBy: tsb On: Mon May 24, 2010 7:57 am

I'll post a picture of the stoker with the next episode tonight.
tsb
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Binford 2000
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL Pioneer top vent
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Saey Hanover II

Re: Sounded easy at first

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Mon May 24, 2010 8:15 am

That is the cat's meow, well done! What is the btu of the stoker mechanism you used ? I would think the btu output would be greater in a boiler over the stove being the temperature differential is greater between the water and fire verses the stove temp. and the fire. Maybee not :o Guess the amount of surface area in the combustion area would come into play. Why don't the stove mfg. make fins like an air cooled engine to radiate more heat.
AA130FIREMAN
 
Stove/Furnace Make: axeman anderson
Stove/Furnace Model: 130 anthratube

Re: Sounded easy at first

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon May 24, 2010 9:04 am

That thing is mint!! :punk: I'll bet it'll still be heating your place 100 years from now ... barring a coal ban ... :roll: :lol:
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: Sounded easy at first

PostBy: tsb On: Mon May 24, 2010 5:28 pm

Here is a picture of the stoker. It's a pretty basic carpet feeder. I bolted
the hopper to the feeder. This is so that if I have a flooding situation, I
can just unplug the feeder and blower motors, take off 6 bolts and the
whole feeder and hopper come off as a unit. If the water gets to the
electrical panel, we have more problems that can't be fixed by moving
anything.
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But this post is to explain the " Time Vampire " aspect of this project.
Thanks to all the members that have posted topics and questions in the
boiler area here, I spent a good month just reading the ins and outs of
a coal boiler. Where to put the circulator, sizing the circulator, pex vs copper,
pex vs pex, flow rates, control devices, return loops, wiring diagrams, dump
zones, delta T , you name it, I read it. And I enjoyed every minute of it. All
the posts were helpful, but in the end, most decisions were made by what looked
about right and how it would fit in the space allowed. As you can see, the thrill of
threaded pipe fittings died out after the circulators.
So THANKS to all, past and present that post the helpful hints that make a project work.

Tom
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tsb
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Binford 2000
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL Pioneer top vent
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Saey Hanover II

Re: Sounded easy at first

PostBy: ceccil On: Mon May 24, 2010 6:22 pm

So what's the name of this beast going to be? Take your time and pick something that will represent the time and love that went into building it. Looks great. :up: :clap:
ceccil
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker, Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: 90K, Mark III

Re: Sounded easy at first

PostBy: Yanche On: Mon May 24, 2010 8:17 pm

Nice job, you obviously have done your homework and have excellent fabrication skills. I'm sure once it's put in service you will be asked or you will wonder what's the BTU produced by this boiler. With a little planning it's an easy measurement. You use the circulator as a flow meter. It's done by measuring the circulator differential inlet to outlet pressure and then looking up the corresponding flow on the circulator flow curve. So if you thing you would be interested in making such a measurement allow for it now. Put a tee before and after the circulator with shut off valves. Then it will be easy to hook up the pressure gauges. If you post what circulator you are using I'll illustrate how to do it and what gauges will work. From the photos it looks like Taco green.
Yanche
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Alternate Heating Systems S-130
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea

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