Property Taxes

Forum rules
As the title "Thoughtful and Intelligent Debates" implies we want quality discussion in this forum. If you're going to post a new topic or reply to one here please make sure it fits the following guidelines.

  • Clear and descriptive title for your topic.
  • You don't need to write a book but please have a reasonable amount of material to support or dispute what you are discussing.
  • Outside references to material to support or dispute your argument can be used but they should not wholly make up your argument. If for example you reference a news article please explain exactly what you are referencing and why.
  • Stay on topic, while topics will wander in the general forums we want to keep them strictly on topic in this forum. Flaming will not be tolerated at all.

Re: Property Taxes

PostBy: wlape3 On: Tue May 25, 2010 9:05 pm

Yanche wrote:I don't know how it might be different for tenants in Reading but in most areas of the country taxes or service fees accessed against property owners is passed on to the tenant in the form of higher rent. So it's not true that "only the land owner" pays. In fact depending on how the land owner has is rental property business structured he gets the advantage of offsetting the land tax/fee assessment as a deduction on his profit/loss calculation. The tenant gets no such benefit.


Perhaps what I should have said is the renter's portion is, on average, significantly less than home owners. There is also no provision for the actual burden placed on the system for an individual family. You pay the same whether or not you have no kids, 1 kid, or 20 kids. Seems a bit unfair to make childless people and retired folks pay the same tax and yes, I do have a school age child.
wlape3
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: 140 auger, forced hot air

Re: Property Taxes

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue May 25, 2010 9:30 pm

wlape,love ya guy,I happen to be retired w/ all kids grown--get Patterson on that one for me will ya :lol:
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: Property Taxes

PostBy: wlape3 On: Tue May 25, 2010 10:45 pm

That's just it. Here in NYS you can't afford to stay in your home if you are retired. It's almost as bad in PA. I was paying $6,200 in property and school taxes there in 2006 and about $6,900 here in 2010 with STAR.

My Brother in-law has about 2.5 times the size of my house on 30 acres in Onondaga Co and pays about 2/3 what I do. Good for him but it just shows how weird the system here is.
wlape3
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: 140 auger, forced hot air


Re: Property Taxes

PostBy: sterling40man On: Tue May 25, 2010 11:20 pm

wlape3 wrote:That's just it. Here in NYS you can't afford to stay in your home if you are retired. It's almost as bad in PA. I was paying $6,200 in property and school taxes there in 2006 and about $6,900 here in 2010 with STAR.


:shock: That's insane! I guess I won't complain. I'm paying $1,600 for 4.1 acres with a house and garage.
sterling40man
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker K6
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: KA-6

Re: Property Taxes

PostBy: jpete On: Tue May 25, 2010 11:23 pm

sterling40man wrote:
wlape3 wrote:That's just it. Here in NYS you can't afford to stay in your home if you are retired. It's almost as bad in PA. I was paying $6,200 in property and school taxes there in 2006 and about $6,900 here in 2010 with STAR.


:shock: That's insane! I guess I won't complain. I'm paying $1,600 for 4.1 acres with a house and garage.


But do you have city water, sewers, snow removal, trash pickup, paid FD, local PD, etc.?

And do you WANT to?

For 6 grand, you could have all that. We pay about half that here.
jpete
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mk II
Coal Size/Type: Stove, Nut, Pea
Other Heating: Dino juice

Re: Property Taxes

PostBy: crazy4coal On: Wed May 26, 2010 5:30 am

You all have it easy, I have 1800 sq feet, 2 car detatched garage on .48 ac. Town water & sewer that costs 140 every 3 mos. Vol fire dept. No garbage pickup, No kids. My home value has droped 80,000 dollars in 2 years, was just reaccested and the taxes will be 7,200 this year. 60% goes to schools and the rest goes to town, county and state. I have a little over 9 yrs to retire, I'am buying a motor home and live at Wal-mart.
crazy4coal
 
Stove/Furnace Make: buderus
Stove/Furnace Model: logana

Re: Property Taxes

PostBy: acesover On: Wed May 26, 2010 6:49 am

Richard, someone agrees with you read what Grace has to say. So do I.
Ray
acesover
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Baker
Stove/Furnace Model: insert, modified

Re: Property Taxes

PostBy: acesover On: Wed May 26, 2010 6:50 am

acesover
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Baker
Stove/Furnace Model: insert, modified

Re: Property Taxes

PostBy: sterling40man On: Wed May 26, 2010 9:28 am

jpete wrote:But do you have city water, sewers, snow removal, trash pickup, paid FD, local PD, etc.?

And do you WANT to?
For 6 grand, you could have all that. We pay about half that here.


This is what I have in my town.

-My own well for water
-Town sewer for $320 per year
-Municipal snow removal on roads. 2 full time highway dept employees.
-Pay $12 per month for trash pick-up
-No PD
-Volunteer FD
-1Town Manager and 1 clerk/notary
-1 Middle/High School for 2 towns

Do I want to pay that much you ask? NO!!!!! I was just saying that it looks like I'm the lucky one here.
sterling40man
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker K6
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: KA-6

Re: Property Taxes

PostBy: wlape3 On: Wed May 26, 2010 9:31 am

jpete wrote:
sterling40man wrote:
wlape3 wrote:That's just it. Here in NYS you can't afford to stay in your home if you are retired. It's almost as bad in PA. I was paying $6,200 in property and school taxes there in 2006 and about $6,900 here in 2010 with STAR.


:shock: That's insane! I guess I won't complain. I'm paying $1,600 for 4.1 acres with a house and garage.


But do you have city water, sewers, snow removal, trash pickup, paid FD, local PD, etc.?

And do you WANT to?

For 6 grand, you could have all that. We pay about half that here.


I do not have trash removal, sewer, or city water. I didn't have it in PA either. All those are extra. When I lived in NJ only the trash was included in my taxes. I paid extra for water and sewer. I actually had to pay twice for sewer; once to the county for the new sewage treatment plant they forced us to use and once to the township for the old sewage treatment plant.

In both PA and NY the local fire departments where I lived/live are all volunteer supported by a combination of state and local funds plus contributions by local residents. Same for ambulance services. Nothing is free and sometimes you have to pay for it more than once.
wlape3
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: 140 auger, forced hot air

Re: Property Taxes

PostBy: sterling40man On: Wed May 26, 2010 10:18 am

wlape3 wrote:In both PA and NY the local fire departments where I lived/live are all volunteer supported by a combination of state and local funds plus contributions by local residents. Same for ambulance services. Nothing is free and sometimes you have to pay for it more than once.


In my town our FD has an annual buget of $17,000. The town pays this through taxes. We've received federal grants for new equipment in the last 5 years. We also have fund raisers to pick up extra cash for budget shortfalls. Like I said earlier it's strictly a volunteer department and we receive $7.00 per hour for fire calls and trainings. We don't do it for the money. Last year I made a total of $185. :lol:
sterling40man
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker K6
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: KA-6

Re: Property Taxes

PostBy: wlape3 On: Wed May 26, 2010 10:34 am

sterling40man wrote:
wlape3 wrote:In both PA and NY the local fire departments where I lived/live are all volunteer supported by a combination of state and local funds plus contributions by local residents. Same for ambulance services. Nothing is free and sometimes you have to pay for it more than once.


In my town our FD has an annual buget of $17,000. The town pays this through taxes. We've received federal grants for new equipment in the last 5 years. We also have fund raisers to pick up extra cash for budget shortfalls. Like I said earlier it's strictly a volunteer department and we receive $7.00 per hour for fire calls and trainings. We don't do it for the money. Last year I made a total of $185. :lol:


I wasn't critizing our local FD or PD. Mostly I was talking about services which are supposed to be paid for in existing levies but somehow generate extra fees. My NJ sewer tax was an example of this.
wlape3
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: 140 auger, forced hot air


Re: Property Taxes

PostBy: sterling40man On: Wed May 26, 2010 12:17 pm

wlape3 wrote:I wasn't critizing our local FD or PD.


I know you weren't man. ;) I was just saying how our FD runs is all.
sterling40man
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker K6
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: KA-6

Re: Property Taxes

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed May 26, 2010 1:13 pm

I've got a little over 2.5 acres, a 160 year old house, run down barn/garage, a small shed & a greenhouse. Our roads get plowed/sanded, no trash pickup - gotta pay per year to dump at x-fer station on weekends. My neighbors have to yell & scream at town hall to get a street sweeper up here so we don't all wipe our bikes out. I weedwhack the street sides & dig out drainage ditches & clean out existing pipes - I don't even bother calling the town. They come up once a year with the brush hog & lay waste to all my wifes plants that grow into the street. :lol:

All this for $2,450/yr. ... and rises like clockwork by 2.5% every year. This year it will rise even higher due to a prop. 2.5% override. :mad:

The town I grew up in where my parents still live has become overrun with yuppie Boston transplants. They started demanding this, that & the other thing ... waaaah waaaah waaah like typical yuppies. Turned that nice blue collar town into an unaffordable, congested clone of a metro-Boston suburb. Due to all that whining & demanding from these spoiled jackoffs, my parents pay $4,000/year for .75 acres and 2 tool sheds. But they will have a brand new mega-high school that no one we know will attend. :roll: On top of a 3-story police station & similar sized fire station - all for 15,000 people. I'm all for police & fire, but you just have to see these places. It's as ridiculous as all the mansions around town now.
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler