It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

Re: It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:09 pm

Thats funny I thought we went to war against Al Qaeda, then of coarse there was that small off shoot war that was for ?(I still can`t figure that one out), I never knew the U.S. declared war against all Muslims. It does strike me odd how many Muslims are being killed by Muslims, I guess they haven`t heard the latest news either. We could have & should have for the most part ended the Afgan war at Tora Bora instead we allowed them safe refuse in a unstable country that has nuclear weapons, smart move, real smart move. Now even as much as most would like to leave we have to have some type of military presence there because of Pakistan(another Muslim country) just to keep their nukes in check. Why o why didn`t we finish the war when we had the chance(or at least killed their leaders) please answer that question.
As for the Muslims that I know there is no known hatred coming out of the Pittsburgh Mosque that they or I know about. My old family doctor told me how he & his wife had to escape the area he lived in Pakistan or they would have been killed just for being educated. Education is a crime to the Muslim extremist, not to all Muslims. Take my word for it, I don`t like or do I defend all Muslims but I also do not or will not hate all Muslims for the actions of some, thats the message I`m trying to get across.
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Re: It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:18 pm

samhill wrote:Thats funny I thought we went to war against Al Qaeda, then of coarse there was that small off shoot war that was for ?It does strick me odd how many Muslims are being killed by Muslims, I guess they haven`t heard the latest news either.


Just show me one member of Al Qaeda who is not a Muslim. No, the one thing all Al Qaeda has in common is that they are all Muslims. Show me one Muslim leader who is willing to go on record denouncing Al Qaeda. You are playing with words and you should know better. Words get people killed; that's why no Muslim is willing to go on the record or those that have are either in hiding or dead. We are at war with the Muslim community and I will stand by my earlier posting. I will watch my back when in the company of Muslims. Lisa

PS Since you seem to have forgotten that 3000 plus Americans died on 9/11 let me remind you that's why we initially went after Al Qaeda. I'll go even further and remind you that not one America city came close to being attacked while GW was in office. That's because he treated this for what it is, a war.
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Re: It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:31 pm

samhill wrote: Take my word for it, I don`t like or do I defend all Muslims but I also do not or will not hate all Muslims for the actions of some, thats the message I`m trying to get across.


It must get pretty lonely there on top of the mountain. I hope you have a patten for your sure fire method of telling friend from foe. I'm sure the families of the dead Americans at the hands of unknown to the community radical Muslims wish they had that knowledge. Again, I say look at the "average" Muslim US citizen who pleaded guilty in the Times Square event. It's reassuring that you would have given him a pass. No, I'll take my lead from R. Reagan and trust but verify until the Muslim community starts to deal with this issue themselves. Lisa
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Re: It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:03 pm

Well then it sounds like what we need to do is a good old ethnic cleansing, now tell me this, if you were asked to denounce something knowing that you would be killed would you? There have been clerics here that have denounced the radical Muslims & even a few over there. There were attempted attacks & arrests made under G.W.Bush just like there were under B.H.Obama & guess what I don`t care who the Pres. is sooner or later there will be another. I have given nobody a pass, I don`t know where your coming from with that. IMO they should be shot when caught, no questions asked. Think about what you said, all known members of Al Qaeda were Muslims therefore all Muslims are Al Qaeda, makes no sense to me, I guess then that all Catholic priests are child molesters (maybe not a good comparison) but you get what I mean.
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Re: It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:40 pm

Well for someone that denounces hatred you sure do incite it in your fellow coal forum members.
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Re: It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:23 pm

Hope not hatred Dan & Lisa, just expressing an opinion after having done a little research. I thought that was still allowed, I hope that no one takes this stuff personal, thats not my intent. If everyone is in total agreement then theres no sense in having a discussion, just like having a one sided debate. I did have the chance to research a little more on this subject & the city of Dearborn has an ordinance that prohibits passing out any literature for a certain area, something to do with a litter problem they were having & as with most cities(&I`m guessing here) there is probably a fee to have a booth inside the festival area. I`m also guessing that this is nothing new, the thing has been going on for 15 years, there were other groups handing out some like material, a Christian author & apologist Josh McDowell & the Baptist state convention of Mich. are two they named. The only trouble they mention having is with the same group last year. All I was doing is a little follow up on a posting, didn`t mean to offend anyone.
If it bothers you that much just say so & I`ll try my best to stay out of it.
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Re: It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:31 am

samhill wrote: Think about what you said, all known members of Al Qaeda were Muslims therefore all Muslims are Al Qaeda, makes no sense to me, I guess then that all Catholic priests are child molesters (maybe not a good comparison) but you get what I mean.


No I didn't say that all - that's what you wanted to read. I said all Al Qaeda were Muslims and by their silence the rest of the Muslim community were in allowing the violence to perpetuate. That non action makes the rest of the Muslim community complacent. I have to make a life or death decision as to whether or not I trust the Muslim community just because they say they are not Muslim extremists or by their works - their words and deeds. I chose to not trust the Muslim community. I will approach them with caution. Unknown members of that community have proven time and again they want to kill as many Americans as they can. That's a fact; perhaps Muslim extremists will begin to carry ID cards which will identify them as terrorist extremists but until then I will remember we are at war.
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Re: It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:51 am

Its your choice, perhaps in your area there are a lot more with some radicals included. I always call a friend a friend, not a Muslim or Jewish or any other type of friend, simply friend. Maybe I shouldn`t be so trusting, just my nature I guess, getting too old to worry about if I should change or not now. And by the way 9-11-2001 was during G.W. Bushs watch in case you forgot but as I said I don`t believe it would have been too much different even if he had heeded the warnings, if not then & there some other time & place. All we can do is be aware of whats going on around us & make a phone call if we see anything or anyone that just doesn`t seem right, better safe than sorry.
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Re: It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:27 am

samhill wrote:Its your choice, perhaps in your area there are a lot more with some radicals included. I always call a friend a friend, not a Muslim or Jewish or any other type of friend, simply friend. Maybe I shouldn`t be so trusting, just my nature I guess, getting too old to worry about if I should change or not now. And by the way 9-11-2001 was during G.W. Bushs watch in case you forgot but as I said I don`t believe it would have been too much different even if he had heeded the warnings, if not then & there some other time & place. All we can do is be aware of whats going on around us & make a phone call if we see anything or anyone that just doesn`t seem right, better safe than sorry.


The point is you don't know if there are a lot of radicals in your area or not. You may have a few friends who are Muslims but you don't know what's actually being said in the Mosques or on street corners. That lack of information and the blind trust you are professing will get someone killed. As an infidel they're not going to let you in on the things that go on amongst them. No, it all goes back to "you are know by the company you keep." I will be polite to everyone I meet but I will not trust my back to anyone belonging to a group swearing to kill Americans.

I didn't say anything about 9/11, I said that there hadn't been another terrorist attack getting to the point of almost actual detonation for the period of time he was President after 9/11. The many which were discovered were broken up well before that point. The current administration can't say the same thing. They have been lucky. Lisa
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Re: It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:03 am

There was the shoe bomber for one but we could go on & on about that, like I said I don`t believe we will be able to stop everything, I pray that I am wrong. I won`t allow myself to get so paranoid that I`m constantly watching my back & trusting no one, remember there are radicals everywhere & not only Muslims, McVay comes to mind.
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Re: It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:07 am

samhill wrote:And by the way 9-11-2001 was during G.W. Bushs watch in case you forgot


What a despicable dirty low blow.
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Re: It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:28 am

samhill wrote:There was the shoe bomber for one but we could go on & on about that, like I said I don`t believe we will be able to stop everything, I pray that I am wrong. I won`t allow myself to get so paranoid that I`m constantly watching my back & trusting no one, remember there are radicals everywhere & not only Muslims, McVay comes to mind.


No, it's not only Muslims but Muslims are the primary participants in past and recent attacks on ALL Americans around the world not just those Americans who happen to be working for the Federal Government. Again I'll point out that not all Muslims are terrorists but the only terrorists we hear about constantly are Muslim, even those born in the US (Maj Hasan), and those Muslims want to kill you and your family. If you can find a story or article about a non Muslim terrorist other then McVay, blowing up a plane or subway or anything beside a fire cracker, please send it to me. I can't believe you pulled up the "shoe bomber." How about acknowledging the Times Square Bomber? You know the recently Naturalized US Citizen. The one who looked and acted like the boy next door - the one who I would venture to say looks and sounds just like your friends. My point still stands; we don't know what is in the hearts of the Muslim community but we know they won't speak out against the radicals. We know that some of these people are terrorists and until we know just which ones they are, I'll watch my back. That's not being paranoid, that's being prudent. Some may even say that's discrimination but so what, we discriminate all the time - like refusing to get in a car driven by a drunk driver - it's what keeps us save. It's when that discrimination becomes irrational that it become racists or out of line. My cautious hesitation to mingle with observers of the Muslim religion is perfectly rational to me given the gravity of being killed by one of them. Lisa
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Re: It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:47 am

samhill wrote:And by the way 9-11-2001 was during G.W. Bushs watch in case you forgot


Dann757 wrote:What a despicable dirty low blow.


Hey, don't worry about it, Dan. I think that we all know the truth that GW was in the Office for what, 8 months before 9/11, hardly time enough to come up to speed on any thing given the firewalls between Government Agencies put into place by the Clinton Administration. I confident that Sam knows I was referring to after 9/11despite his comment. Obviously, if I thought someone wouldn't have picked up on that I'd have stated it much clearer. You never know how people will read into things or not. My mistake, Lisa
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Re: It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

PostBy: beemerboy On: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:43 am

lowfog01 wrote:
samhill wrote:And by the way 9-11-2001 was during G.W. Bushs watch in case you forgot


Dann757 wrote:What a despicable dirty low blow.


Hey, don't worry about it, Dan. I think that we all know the truth that GW was in the Office for what, 8 months before 9/11, hardly time enough to come up to speed on any thing given the firewalls between Government Agencies put into place by the Clinton Administration. I confident that Sam knows I was referring to after 9/11despite his comment. Obviously, if I thought someone wouldn't have picked up on that I'd have stated it much clearer. You never know how people will read into things or not. My mistake, Lisa


So, the "Underwear Bomber" that tried to blow up a airplane was, what, Bush's fault?
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Re: It Is Starting and We better Pay Attention

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:35 pm

Dan, why is it that the truth is despicable, it was the truth & if you read the whole thing instead of posting your snippet you will see that I also said that I thought something was going to happen sooner or later. Now that you brought it up its funny how Bush wasn`t in office long enough but B.O. had been in office a nano second & the recession, unemployment, bank failures, auto industry going under, housing crisis, rising cost of health care & everything else was his fault. Get real & think about it , whats good for one is good for the other. Don`t lay all the blame on any President that believe it or not has limited power without the Senate & Congress that is in the pocket of lobbyist regardless of which party they are in. We have now & have for some time had to most corrupt Government that this country has ever had. But if you choose to ignore facts as facts & continue to believe that everything is one sided then so be it.
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